1 00:00:15,750 --> 00:00:12,799 [Music] 2 00:00:19,859 --> 00:00:15,760 this hope radiates for the masses 3 00:00:21,029 --> 00:00:19,869 Atlanta between July 8 1947 these are 4 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:21,039 the airport through Capernaum 5 00:00:26,249 --> 00:00:23,890 butterflying there - found and is now in 6 00:00:29,779 --> 00:00:26,259 the possession of the otter the game is 7 00:00:32,630 --> 00:00:29,789 rigged changed the game changer I 8 00:00:36,930 --> 00:00:32,640 occasionally think how quickly our 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:36,940 differences worldwide would vanish if we 10 00:00:40,890 --> 00:00:39,610 were facing an alien threat from outside 11 00:00:45,319 --> 00:00:40,900 his way 12 00:00:51,020 --> 00:00:48,049 this is painted black with your host 13 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:51,030 Jimmy church on the game-changer radio 14 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:54,210 network and kg RA the global radio 15 00:01:06,899 --> 00:01:03,200 I need your help to get to a year 1985 16 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:06,909 [Music] 17 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:08,890 you listen to that 18 00:01:12,020 --> 00:01:11,050 with Jimmy judge on the game change in 19 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:12,030 that one 20 00:01:26,510 --> 00:01:24,840 welcome fade to black 21 00:01:36,930 --> 00:01:26,520 [Music] 22 00:01:43,070 --> 00:01:36,940 the smoke radio for the masses how you 23 00:01:47,850 --> 00:01:43,080 doing today is Monday December 16th 2019 24 00:01:50,420 --> 00:01:47,860 350 days into the new year just 15 days 25 00:01:52,380 --> 00:01:50,430 left we are live from a bunker somewhere 26 00:01:54,809 --> 00:01:52,390 in the middle of beautiful downtown 27 00:01:56,399 --> 00:01:54,819 Burbank California I would like to 28 00:02:00,350 --> 00:01:56,409 welcome everybody listening all around 29 00:02:03,389 --> 00:02:00,360 the world all across the United States 30 00:02:05,190 --> 00:02:03,399 hither and thither to and fro back and 31 00:02:11,789 --> 00:02:05,200 forth up and down east and west north 32 00:02:14,309 --> 00:02:11,799 and south far and this is fade to black 33 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:14,319 for kjc are the game changer network and 34 00:02:19,110 --> 00:02:18,610 kgr a the planets come girls to me 35 00:02:22,940 --> 00:02:19,120 church 36 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:22,950 what is cracking everybody how you doing 37 00:02:28,150 --> 00:02:26,650 brand new week here on fade to black 38 00:02:30,570 --> 00:02:28,160 good to be with you 39 00:02:36,130 --> 00:02:30,580 [Music] 40 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:36,140 tonight's very special first-time guest 41 00:02:44,020 --> 00:02:37,330 [Music] 42 00:02:46,030 --> 00:02:44,030 John E l10 is here I am so looking 43 00:02:48,190 --> 00:02:46,040 forward to this conversation tonight 44 00:02:50,860 --> 00:02:48,200 Johnny L Tenny tomorrow night another 45 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:50,870 first-time guests matthew morning joins 46 00:02:56,890 --> 00:02:53,690 us Wednesday night 47 00:02:59,790 --> 00:02:56,900 another first-time guests it's our start 48 00:03:04,120 --> 00:02:59,800 rent wells half half a first-time guest 49 00:03:06,220 --> 00:03:04,130 it's our Star Trek special event with 50 00:03:10,870 --> 00:03:06,230 Mark Cushman he's got a new book out 51 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:10,880 actually - and Vic Montagna is here Vic 52 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:13,490 is back really looking forward to that I 53 00:03:17,860 --> 00:03:16,010 haven't I haven't talked to Vic since I 54 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:17,870 had them on coast tonight 55 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:20,810 Johnny Oltenia is here I want to remind 56 00:03:26,590 --> 00:03:23,810 everybody tomorrow night Matthew morning 57 00:03:28,810 --> 00:03:26,600 and joins us Wednesday night is our star 58 00:03:31,810 --> 00:03:28,820 trekkin special event with mark Cushman 59 00:03:36,220 --> 00:03:31,820 and Vic Montagna Thursday night is our 60 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:36,230 sixth anniversary show with open lines 61 00:03:39,010 --> 00:03:38,690 all night long that'll be Thursday all 62 00:03:42,130 --> 00:03:39,020 right 63 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:42,140 tonight is Johnny L teddy he is one of 64 00:03:45,670 --> 00:03:43,730 the most recognized and highly sought 65 00:03:47,740 --> 00:03:45,680 after investigators of paranormal and 66 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:47,750 occult phenomena UFOs and high 67 00:03:52,900 --> 00:03:50,450 strangeness in all of America mr. tani 68 00:03:54,550 --> 00:03:52,910 has been actively involved in these 69 00:03:57,100 --> 00:03:54,560 fields of research for three decades 70 00:03:59,260 --> 00:03:57,110 it's estimated that over the past 30 71 00:04:01,540 --> 00:03:59,270 years more than 100,000 people have 72 00:04:04,330 --> 00:04:01,550 attended one of John's signature weird 73 00:04:05,740 --> 00:04:04,340 lectures Tenney's columns and articles 74 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:05,750 have been printed in magazines and 75 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:07,970 newspapers worldwide including NBC a 76 00:04:11,890 --> 00:04:09,650 Andy Fox 77 00:04:14,350 --> 00:04:11,900 sci-fi the Detroit Free Press and The 78 00:04:16,090 --> 00:04:14,360 Huffington Post men's health in the New 79 00:04:16,990 --> 00:04:16,100 York Times and of course The Wall Street 80 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:17,000 Journal 81 00:04:20,740 --> 00:04:18,650 John has worked on numerous television 82 00:04:23,230 --> 00:04:20,750 shows including unsolved mysteries 83 00:04:26,230 --> 00:04:23,240 sightings very scary stories Paranormal 84 00:04:28,870 --> 00:04:26,240 State the new class go stalkers and 85 00:04:32,530 --> 00:04:28,880 paranormal lockdown kindred spirits and 86 00:04:35,850 --> 00:04:32,540 of course Helier his two websites are 87 00:04:39,909 --> 00:04:35,860 weird lectures calm and realm of the 88 00:04:41,830 --> 00:04:39,919 realm of the weird doc on both of those 89 00:04:43,060 --> 00:04:41,840 links or overage signatures radio.com i 90 00:04:43,869 --> 00:04:43,070 would like to welcome for the first time 91 00:04:46,809 --> 00:04:43,879 to fade to black 92 00:04:48,790 --> 00:04:46,819 John II Elton John good evening man how 93 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:48,800 are you good are you doing Jimmy I'm 94 00:04:53,769 --> 00:04:51,110 doing fantastic sir and before we get 95 00:04:59,589 --> 00:04:53,779 started you get the first-time guests 96 00:05:01,329 --> 00:04:59,599 disclaimer yeah man are you ready John 97 00:05:03,669 --> 00:05:01,339 is just you and I sitting on my couch 98 00:05:05,589 --> 00:05:03,679 having a conversation as friends and 99 00:05:07,779 --> 00:05:05,599 where that conversation starts it starts 100 00:05:11,769 --> 00:05:07,789 where it ends it ends but we command his 101 00:05:14,290 --> 00:05:11,779 friends there he goes he that started 102 00:05:17,409 --> 00:05:14,300 years ago John I don't know how it 103 00:05:19,540 --> 00:05:17,419 started and the audience just wouldn't 104 00:05:21,850 --> 00:05:19,550 wouldn't let me stop every time we had a 105 00:05:25,719 --> 00:05:21,860 first-time guest so there you go 106 00:05:29,070 --> 00:05:25,729 welcome to the program and before I go 107 00:05:32,799 --> 00:05:29,080 through the list of obvious questions 108 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:32,809 with you we were talking before the show 109 00:05:36,189 --> 00:05:33,529 tonight 110 00:05:39,489 --> 00:05:36,199 and you live in Michigan and you've done 111 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:39,499 a lot of research in Michigan on the 112 00:05:46,269 --> 00:05:42,289 paranormal and UFOs and and things over 113 00:05:47,439 --> 00:05:46,279 the years and it reminded me of because 114 00:05:50,679 --> 00:05:47,449 my family's from there 115 00:05:53,290 --> 00:05:50,689 okay my mom and dad my mom from Flint my 116 00:05:56,079 --> 00:05:53,300 dad from Saginaw or maybe it was the 117 00:05:58,480 --> 00:05:56,089 opposite doesn't matter that's where 118 00:06:01,779 --> 00:05:58,490 they met my dad went to Western Michigan 119 00:06:05,290 --> 00:06:01,789 University and that's where my family is 120 00:06:10,239 --> 00:06:05,300 from and growing up at my grandparents 121 00:06:13,359 --> 00:06:10,249 house in Holley Michigan the visits 122 00:06:15,429 --> 00:06:13,369 there were always strange and my family 123 00:06:18,699 --> 00:06:15,439 told me that the house was haunted and 124 00:06:21,329 --> 00:06:18,709 it was built in the 1800s right and I 125 00:06:24,339 --> 00:06:21,339 remember one day sitting on the couch 126 00:06:26,829 --> 00:06:24,349 there with my grandma and grandpa and I 127 00:06:28,359 --> 00:06:26,839 heard a noise and I looked at my 128 00:06:30,429 --> 00:06:28,369 grandmother didn't even leave the sink 129 00:06:31,209 --> 00:06:30,439 right she's still washing dishes but I 130 00:06:33,159 --> 00:06:31,219 heard it again 131 00:06:35,199 --> 00:06:33,169 and I said did you hear that my 132 00:06:43,119 --> 00:06:35,209 grandmother says with her back turned to 133 00:06:46,109 --> 00:06:43,129 me that's our ghost okay and nobody even 134 00:06:50,139 --> 00:06:46,119 you know flinched I kind of freaked out 135 00:06:53,589 --> 00:06:50,149 but that's just the way it was for my 136 00:06:56,589 --> 00:06:53,599 family and them to grow up as an adult 137 00:06:59,859 --> 00:06:56,599 it's like that in houses across America 138 00:07:02,260 --> 00:06:59,869 but what is it about Michigan that that 139 00:07:04,779 --> 00:07:02,270 makes it such a strange place you know 140 00:07:06,579 --> 00:07:04,789 it's it is interesting to me growing up 141 00:07:08,260 --> 00:07:06,589 here because after all these years of 142 00:07:11,109 --> 00:07:08,270 doing this you hear about these 143 00:07:14,499 --> 00:07:11,119 confluences of environmental factors 144 00:07:17,049 --> 00:07:14,509 that may or may not involve paranormal 145 00:07:20,619 --> 00:07:17,059 or supernatural phenomena running water 146 00:07:21,579 --> 00:07:20,629 granite just all of this kind of things 147 00:07:23,230 --> 00:07:21,589 you don't know if there is anything 148 00:07:24,699 --> 00:07:23,240 really behind them but then when you 149 00:07:27,609 --> 00:07:24,709 look at Michigan like we are this 150 00:07:29,559 --> 00:07:27,619 peninsula surrounded by water on top of 151 00:07:32,679 --> 00:07:29,569 a giant piece of granite we have the 152 00:07:34,989 --> 00:07:32,689 largest living organism in the world 153 00:07:36,879 --> 00:07:34,999 which is a mushroom that's about 300 154 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:36,889 miles in diameter that grows underneath 155 00:07:41,350 --> 00:07:39,289 us we have more boats and planes 156 00:07:43,149 --> 00:07:41,360 disappear in the Great Lakes than in the 157 00:07:44,980 --> 00:07:43,159 Bermuda Triangle we have dog man we have 158 00:07:47,499 --> 00:07:44,990 Bigfoot we have haunted houses the 159 00:07:50,170 --> 00:07:47,509 largest UFO sighting in 1966 something 160 00:07:51,549 --> 00:07:50,180 strange is happening in Michigan yeah 161 00:07:55,809 --> 00:07:51,559 there's no question about it 162 00:07:59,369 --> 00:07:55,819 and there's another for me along the 163 00:08:06,790 --> 00:07:59,379 west coast of Michigan on the lake there 164 00:08:08,799 --> 00:08:06,800 one of the highest reported UFO areas in 165 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:08,809 the country and it goes along the west 166 00:08:15,069 --> 00:08:12,110 coast there where UFO hunters don't 167 00:08:17,439 --> 00:08:15,079 necessarily speak about it first when 168 00:08:20,350 --> 00:08:17,449 they actually should it seems like it 169 00:08:22,089 --> 00:08:20,360 goes on daily out there yeah there's 170 00:08:23,649 --> 00:08:22,099 something about Michigan to this the 171 00:08:25,170 --> 00:08:23,659 people here for some reason maybe it's 172 00:08:27,549 --> 00:08:25,180 the weather maybe it's because it's 173 00:08:29,319 --> 00:08:27,559 frigidly cold for eight months out of 174 00:08:32,740 --> 00:08:29,329 the year but we also are very 175 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:32,750 introverted and we understand what's 176 00:08:35,980 --> 00:08:34,250 happening to us and don't feel the need 177 00:08:37,929 --> 00:08:35,990 to talk about it so we have these huge 178 00:08:41,079 --> 00:08:37,939 clusters of sightings of creatures and 179 00:08:44,290 --> 00:08:41,089 monsters and UFOs and all this stuff but 180 00:08:45,999 --> 00:08:44,300 in Michigan it's good enough that you 181 00:08:47,829 --> 00:08:46,009 have the experience I mean that's the 182 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:47,839 way I grew up like your experience is 183 00:08:51,550 --> 00:08:49,730 good enough for you you don't need to 184 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:51,560 seek out the news and television and 185 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:54,170 television shows and I think that's 186 00:08:59,050 --> 00:08:55,130 something that's really interesting 187 00:09:04,059 --> 00:08:59,060 about my state yeah the I think the 188 00:09:05,949 --> 00:09:04,069 perception of Michigan is Detroit and I 189 00:09:07,540 --> 00:09:05,959 understand the reasons for that right I 190 00:09:11,199 --> 00:09:07,550 really do but 191 00:09:14,500 --> 00:09:11,209 unless you drive across and up you know 192 00:09:18,540 --> 00:09:14,510 to the U P and drive across Michigan I 193 00:09:21,370 --> 00:09:18,550 know it Michigan is is basically remote 194 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:21,380 and and people forget like I live just 195 00:09:25,810 --> 00:09:23,330 on the outskirts of downtown Detroit 196 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:25,820 like 11 miles outside of Detroit if I 197 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:28,970 were to drive to the topmost western 198 00:09:33,970 --> 00:09:31,730 side of Michigan in the U P from where I 199 00:09:36,850 --> 00:09:33,980 met right now it takes 11 hours like 200 00:09:39,970 --> 00:09:36,860 we're a huge state it's big and it's 201 00:09:42,850 --> 00:09:39,980 covered it's it's remote anything can go 202 00:09:46,269 --> 00:09:42,860 down out there from Bigfoot and UFO 203 00:09:49,150 --> 00:09:46,279 sightings and and things that nobody 204 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:49,160 else would ever know because it is quite 205 00:09:54,190 --> 00:09:52,490 frankly not that populated right hands 206 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:54,200 like I said we're we're somewhat 207 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:56,450 introverted we're we're nice and we're 208 00:09:59,440 --> 00:09:58,250 friendly but also we don't want to talk 209 00:10:03,000 --> 00:09:59,450 about stuff if we don't want to talk 210 00:10:06,970 --> 00:10:03,010 about it now today I mentioned in the 211 00:10:09,069 --> 00:10:06,980 open M my little opening segment here 212 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:09,079 tonight on the show that today is 213 00:10:17,380 --> 00:10:15,050 December 16th at 2019 and it's two years 214 00:10:19,269 --> 00:10:17,390 to the day that the New York Times and 215 00:10:23,199 --> 00:10:19,279 Politico made the big announcement about 216 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:23,209 the government secret UFO program and it 217 00:10:30,250 --> 00:10:27,290 what that allowed was for what seemed 218 00:10:33,220 --> 00:10:30,260 like months and months of UFO coverage 219 00:10:35,740 --> 00:10:33,230 in the mainstream media and in comments 220 00:10:39,670 --> 00:10:35,750 and interviews and videos and and things 221 00:10:43,510 --> 00:10:39,680 and it seemed that we were in the days 222 00:10:46,290 --> 00:10:43,520 of disclosure on the UFO subject it's 223 00:10:49,060 --> 00:10:46,300 been two years since that announcement 224 00:10:51,130 --> 00:10:49,070 what what's your take on that do you 225 00:10:54,060 --> 00:10:51,140 feel that we were ever in the days of 226 00:10:57,819 --> 00:10:54,070 disclosure that do things seem different 227 00:10:59,769 --> 00:10:57,829 with you about the UFO subject I mean I 228 00:11:02,470 --> 00:10:59,779 catch a lot of flack from people because 229 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:02,480 as a researcher as a historian one of 230 00:11:07,180 --> 00:11:04,850 the things I do is I I like to look back 231 00:11:09,389 --> 00:11:07,190 at what we'd experienced before and when 232 00:11:11,949 --> 00:11:09,399 I told people to be cautious about this 233 00:11:13,420 --> 00:11:11,959 disclosure that seemed to be happening I 234 00:11:16,180 --> 00:11:13,430 tried to point out to a lot of people 235 00:11:18,220 --> 00:11:16,190 like this has happened before and don't 236 00:11:19,630 --> 00:11:18,230 get so excited about it that you lose 237 00:11:20,770 --> 00:11:19,640 track of who you are and what you're 238 00:11:24,850 --> 00:11:20,780 thinking about we 239 00:11:27,010 --> 00:11:24,860 I was you know in my 20s and Larry King 240 00:11:29,170 --> 00:11:27,020 did a three-hour live special with 241 00:11:32,650 --> 00:11:29,180 Stanton Friedman and you apologists 242 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:32,660 doing UFOs are real that was disclosure 243 00:11:37,270 --> 00:11:34,570 we thought it was going to happen and 244 00:11:39,190 --> 00:11:37,280 you know 20 years before that when 245 00:11:41,770 --> 00:11:39,200 Walter Cronkite went on the air and did 246 00:11:42,220 --> 00:11:41,780 a two hour long special on UFOs being 247 00:11:44,110 --> 00:11:42,230 real 248 00:11:46,510 --> 00:11:44,120 that was disclosure like we have been 249 00:11:49,450 --> 00:11:46,520 here before and I just always caution 250 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:49,460 people like when these huge stories hit 251 00:11:53,590 --> 00:11:52,250 you have to remember that a lot of what 252 00:11:56,500 --> 00:11:53,600 we experienced and supernatural 253 00:11:58,660 --> 00:11:56,510 paranormal the ufological the occult is 254 00:12:00,700 --> 00:11:58,670 cyclical it comes around to new 255 00:12:03,820 --> 00:12:00,710 generations and it doesn't necessarily 256 00:12:06,490 --> 00:12:03,830 mean that this is going to be the time 257 00:12:10,570 --> 00:12:06,500 when the mysteries are revealed i I 258 00:12:13,420 --> 00:12:10,580 agree with you and it was it was about 259 00:12:16,540 --> 00:12:13,430 two years ago a year and a half ago I'm 260 00:12:19,930 --> 00:12:16,550 hosting a panel at a conference and we 261 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:19,940 had about it was at contact in the 262 00:12:25,780 --> 00:12:22,370 desert we had about 2,000 people right 263 00:12:31,270 --> 00:12:25,790 in in the big room there it was it was 264 00:12:34,810 --> 00:12:31,280 packed and a great panel right and I 265 00:12:37,830 --> 00:12:34,820 turned to the audience and I had said I 266 00:12:40,810 --> 00:12:37,840 was hosting and I said well I don't need 267 00:12:44,140 --> 00:12:40,820 disclosure I've seen too many things I 268 00:12:47,950 --> 00:12:44,150 know that the phenomenon is real and and 269 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:47,960 as I got those words out John you could 270 00:12:56,230 --> 00:12:53,330 hear boos in the audience and they no 271 00:12:58,630 --> 00:12:56,240 matter what they are here because of a 272 00:13:01,630 --> 00:12:58,640 personal experience they're here for 273 00:13:04,030 --> 00:13:01,640 emotional reasons right they're trying 274 00:13:06,220 --> 00:13:04,040 to figure out what's going on with a 275 00:13:10,270 --> 00:13:06,230 sighting or something else in their life 276 00:13:13,510 --> 00:13:10,280 and they need real disclosure and they 277 00:13:15,340 --> 00:13:13,520 will not accept anything less and and 278 00:13:16,900 --> 00:13:15,350 and I understand the reaction that you 279 00:13:18,550 --> 00:13:16,910 get from people because I got the same 280 00:13:22,390 --> 00:13:18,560 one and and I don't think it's ever 281 00:13:24,670 --> 00:13:22,400 gonna change no I mean if if you're in 282 00:13:27,790 --> 00:13:24,680 this long enough and you think deeply 283 00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:27,800 and honestly about it enough which a lot 284 00:13:34,540 --> 00:13:31,510 of your listeners do disclosure is a 285 00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:34,550 personal thing it it actually happens to 286 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:36,649 each of us individually and happens in a 287 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:38,930 way that we can understand now yes we 288 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:41,450 would like everybody to understand our 289 00:13:45,940 --> 00:13:43,610 experiences everyone to understand that 290 00:13:49,810 --> 00:13:45,950 what we've experienced isn't singular 291 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:49,820 but the way that I think at least at 292 00:13:53,130 --> 00:13:51,529 this moment the way that disclosure 293 00:13:55,060 --> 00:13:53,140 happens is it happens 294 00:13:56,769 --> 00:13:55,070 individualistically it happens to each 295 00:13:58,870 --> 00:13:56,779 of us in the way that we can perceive 296 00:14:02,680 --> 00:13:58,880 and understand it at the time that we're 297 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:02,690 having that experience and you know it 298 00:14:05,889 --> 00:14:04,730 would be sure it would be great if UFOs 299 00:14:07,180 --> 00:14:05,899 are gonna land on the lawn of the White 300 00:14:09,190 --> 00:14:07,190 House but there are still gonna be 301 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:09,200 people who doubt that it's not how it 302 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:14,510 seems to work with with the skeptics out 303 00:14:22,389 --> 00:14:19,610 there who insists that we could be the 304 00:14:25,329 --> 00:14:22,399 only intelligent life in the entire 305 00:14:29,079 --> 00:14:25,339 universe that we may have to accept that 306 00:14:33,030 --> 00:14:29,089 and and we hear that side of things how 307 00:14:36,670 --> 00:14:33,040 is it possible that we could be the only 308 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:36,680 intelligent life in the universe which 309 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:39,130 appears to be infinite now anyway right 310 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:43,010 it's how do you approach that side of 311 00:14:49,090 --> 00:14:46,490 things where that is something that is 312 00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:49,100 how do I say this correctly being forced 313 00:14:54,220 --> 00:14:51,110 on people to consider that we could be 314 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:54,230 the only intelligent life out there well 315 00:14:59,350 --> 00:14:56,930 you know again when I when I speak about 316 00:15:01,449 --> 00:14:59,360 people thinking honestly and openly and 317 00:15:04,569 --> 00:15:01,459 and introspectively about their 318 00:15:05,949 --> 00:15:04,579 experience and they say well perhaps we 319 00:15:08,740 --> 00:15:05,959 are the only thing perhaps there's 320 00:15:11,170 --> 00:15:08,750 nothing more than us for a long time 321 00:15:12,340 --> 00:15:11,180 even in my journey through all of this 322 00:15:15,130 --> 00:15:12,350 weirdness 323 00:15:16,870 --> 00:15:15,140 I had trouble reconciling that until I 324 00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:16,880 realized like there is a way that you 325 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:20,240 can think about that and that the way to 326 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:22,250 think about that is we often talk about 327 00:15:27,010 --> 00:15:25,250 interdimensional tea or a multitude of 328 00:15:28,590 --> 00:15:27,020 dimensions and realities and there's an 329 00:15:31,269 --> 00:15:28,600 infinite amount of realities and 330 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:31,279 multi-universe hypotheses and things 331 00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:33,410 like that well if you're going to accept 332 00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:36,079 that then you have to accept that in all 333 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:38,000 of those infinite amount of realities 334 00:15:43,780 --> 00:15:40,610 there may be or there has to be a 335 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:43,790 reality in which all of this is fake and 336 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:46,490 that we are the only thing that exists 337 00:15:50,350 --> 00:15:48,050 and perhaps that 338 00:15:52,210 --> 00:15:50,360 is the reality that we currently are 339 00:15:53,829 --> 00:15:52,220 living in like you that's one of the 340 00:15:56,350 --> 00:15:53,839 things that you have to understand is 341 00:15:58,960 --> 00:15:56,360 that we really might be the one single 342 00:16:01,180 --> 00:15:58,970 universe in all of the dimensions and 343 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:01,190 all of the realities and the infinitude 344 00:16:06,699 --> 00:16:03,529 of the cosmos we might be in that one 345 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:06,709 where all of this is big and then a 346 00:16:20,410 --> 00:16:18,610 popping cats and talking tin cans and 347 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:20,420 everything is alive and everything is 348 00:16:25,750 --> 00:16:22,850 beautiful and perfect you know with a 349 00:16:27,910 --> 00:16:25,760 multitude of life forms but if you want 350 00:16:29,949 --> 00:16:27,920 to be skeptical there is the possibility 351 00:16:31,420 --> 00:16:29,959 if you believe in interdimensional 'ti 352 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:31,430 in a multitude of dimensions that you 353 00:16:37,060 --> 00:16:34,850 have to maybe perhaps consider the fact 354 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:37,070 that we're in the one that has nothing 355 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:46,490 but us wouldn't that be depressing oh I 356 00:16:54,130 --> 00:16:50,450 had a family member say to me this is a 357 00:16:56,290 --> 00:16:54,140 years ago he said to me I've nothing to 358 00:17:01,329 --> 00:16:56,300 do with this show all right but he said 359 00:17:03,370 --> 00:17:01,339 you know if we found out he was taking 360 00:17:05,679 --> 00:17:03,380 some classes and philosophy 361 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:05,689 you know stuff at the time so this is 362 00:17:10,510 --> 00:17:07,850 where this was coming from but he said 363 00:17:13,770 --> 00:17:10,520 if we found out that we were alone in 364 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:13,780 the universe it would be worse than 365 00:17:18,669 --> 00:17:16,970 finding out if we were not alone and I 366 00:17:21,790 --> 00:17:18,679 said what do you mean he said because of 367 00:17:25,689 --> 00:17:21,800 were alone in the universe there's no 368 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:25,699 reason to save this planet there's no 369 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:28,850 reason to be friendly we should just 370 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:33,650 party and I said what is that because if 371 00:17:40,450 --> 00:17:37,010 we find out that we are not alone then 372 00:17:42,669 --> 00:17:40,460 we have a reason to live and it was such 373 00:17:45,250 --> 00:17:42,679 a heavy statement to me it's like the 374 00:17:47,230 --> 00:17:45,260 opposite of what we've been told you 375 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:47,240 know what I mean oh yeah absolutely I 376 00:17:50,919 --> 00:17:48,530 talked about this sometimes at my 377 00:17:52,299 --> 00:17:50,929 lectures in the regard if I have a lot 378 00:17:53,919 --> 00:17:52,309 of friends who are scientists and 379 00:17:55,419 --> 00:17:53,929 they're materialistic and they're a 380 00:17:57,370 --> 00:17:55,429 theistic and they don't believe in any 381 00:17:59,820 --> 00:17:57,380 of this stuff obviously and they look at 382 00:18:01,649 --> 00:17:59,830 things through the eyes of science and 383 00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:01,659 and one of the conversations that I have 384 00:18:07,620 --> 00:18:05,710 with them repeatedly is if scientists if 385 00:18:09,419 --> 00:18:07,630 the majority of people who are a big 386 00:18:11,460 --> 00:18:09,429 capitalist skeptics in capital a 387 00:18:13,919 --> 00:18:11,470 atheists if they really believe that we 388 00:18:15,539 --> 00:18:13,929 are the only thing that exists in the 389 00:18:18,149 --> 00:18:15,549 universe and that once we die we're dead 390 00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:18,159 and you know a couple billion years from 391 00:18:21,870 --> 00:18:19,840 now the Sun goes red giant and blows up 392 00:18:23,669 --> 00:18:21,880 and everything is destroyed and nothing 393 00:18:26,610 --> 00:18:23,679 mattered if that's what they really 394 00:18:29,070 --> 00:18:26,620 honestly believe that nothing matters at 395 00:18:31,409 --> 00:18:29,080 all they would be heralding our march 396 00:18:33,450 --> 00:18:31,419 into the abyss right now there's no 397 00:18:35,700 --> 00:18:33,460 reason for all of the scientist friends 398 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:35,710 I have who believe that it's pointless 399 00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:37,690 to have children and they all have 400 00:18:42,570 --> 00:18:39,760 children why would you want to persist 401 00:18:44,669 --> 00:18:42,580 why would you struggle and study the 402 00:18:46,409 --> 00:18:44,679 universe to find answers knowing that 403 00:18:48,389 --> 00:18:46,419 those answers are only going to be lost 404 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:48,399 when the earth blows up a billion years 405 00:18:54,379 --> 00:18:51,490 from now well I've often said and I mean 406 00:18:56,789 --> 00:18:54,389 this a plane is getting ready to crash 407 00:18:59,070 --> 00:18:56,799 the pilot has made the announcement 408 00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:59,080 right we're going down you know who the 409 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:01,120 most spiritual person on that plane is 410 00:19:10,139 --> 00:19:07,690 praying Richard Dawkins right that's the 411 00:19:12,629 --> 00:19:10,149 truth that's it you have to cover your 412 00:19:16,590 --> 00:19:12,639 base you got to cover your bases what 413 00:19:18,779 --> 00:19:16,600 was what was the one event that sent you 414 00:19:23,009 --> 00:19:18,789 down this road was there an epiphany 415 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:23,019 that happened you know I tell people and 416 00:19:27,509 --> 00:19:25,450 it's it's as honest as I can be I really 417 00:19:29,159 --> 00:19:27,519 don't have any secrets and I really try 418 00:19:31,649 --> 00:19:29,169 and tell the truth it's brutal as it 419 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:31,659 might be sometimes I grew up a punk rock 420 00:19:36,180 --> 00:19:34,450 kid in the 80s I hated people telling me 421 00:19:38,450 --> 00:19:36,190 what I could and couldn't think about 422 00:19:41,220 --> 00:19:38,460 what was real and what wasn't real and 423 00:19:43,950 --> 00:19:41,230 that really started me down the road 424 00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:43,960 because I realized there was this wealth 425 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:46,080 of people whether it be a cultists or 426 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:48,250 paranormalists or witches or whatever 427 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:51,970 who had been thrown by the wayside by 428 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:55,210 the denseness of society and I was being 429 00:19:58,980 --> 00:19:57,250 told that they had no idea what they 430 00:20:02,399 --> 00:19:58,990 were talking about and as I got a little 431 00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:02,409 bit older and started to deep dive into 432 00:20:08,879 --> 00:20:05,440 science and religion and the crossroads 433 00:20:10,260 --> 00:20:08,889 between them I realized that honestly no 434 00:20:12,409 --> 00:20:10,270 one knew what they were talking about 435 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:12,419 and so why should one 436 00:20:21,889 --> 00:20:15,809 spect of my existence take precedent 437 00:20:27,409 --> 00:20:21,899 over the other punk rock I'm not gonna 438 00:20:30,109 --> 00:20:27,419 let that go by right who's your band the 439 00:20:33,049 --> 00:20:30,119 first band I was in was called fried 440 00:20:36,259 --> 00:20:33,059 vomit right on the rod we changed our 441 00:20:38,180 --> 00:20:36,269 name eventually to degeneration and we 442 00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:38,190 played with some pretty well-known bands 443 00:20:44,450 --> 00:20:40,559 we opened for Social Distortion a couple 444 00:20:50,509 --> 00:20:44,460 times and it was all very horrible were 445 00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:50,519 you were you an East Coast punk guy or 446 00:20:57,889 --> 00:20:55,200 West Coast we kind of being Michigan we 447 00:21:00,229 --> 00:20:57,899 flirted with both of them like at one 448 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:00,239 time we like you know our influences 449 00:21:07,310 --> 00:21:02,129 were minor threat to the Dead Kennedys 450 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:07,320 to The Cramps to the misfits misfits 451 00:21:11,539 --> 00:21:09,690 good stuff your microphones making a lot 452 00:21:13,609 --> 00:21:11,549 of noise by the way I'm sorry it started 453 00:21:17,060 --> 00:21:13,619 moving around a lot yeah that's what 454 00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:17,070 punk rock does what instrument did you 455 00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:18,480 play I just gotta get this out of the 456 00:21:25,759 --> 00:21:21,720 way I screamed I was the singer you were 457 00:21:29,539 --> 00:21:25,769 the singer that was indeed what about 458 00:21:32,299 --> 00:21:29,549 Darby Crash the germs yo I love Darby I 459 00:21:34,249 --> 00:21:32,309 mean at that point in my life I thought 460 00:21:35,419 --> 00:21:34,259 it was just fantastic that here you had 461 00:21:36,979 --> 00:21:35,429 this guy who had the super global 462 00:21:38,239 --> 00:21:36,989 microphone to his mouth because he 463 00:21:39,799 --> 00:21:38,249 couldn't hold it in front of him I 464 00:21:41,269 --> 00:21:39,809 thought that was kind of great even 465 00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:41,279 though later on I realized it was just 466 00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,200 because he was so drugged up yeah I was 467 00:21:48,590 --> 00:21:45,600 in I was in the music I was a musician 468 00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:48,600 too as well and I got sidetracked from 469 00:21:56,060 --> 00:21:51,929 the hair band stuffed into the the punk 470 00:21:59,539 --> 00:21:56,070 world and it was a pretty amazing time 471 00:22:04,940 --> 00:21:59,549 here in in the mid 80s for that scene 472 00:22:06,799 --> 00:22:04,950 and for those out there who would talk 473 00:22:09,499 --> 00:22:06,809 about Darby crash and talk about the 474 00:22:11,419 --> 00:22:09,509 days of the germs and and techs in the 475 00:22:12,859 --> 00:22:11,429 horse heads and some of the other things 476 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:12,869 that were going on here in Los Angeles 477 00:22:17,299 --> 00:22:15,210 and I was right on the fringe and and 478 00:22:21,169 --> 00:22:17,309 hanging out with those folks and it was 479 00:22:25,399 --> 00:22:21,179 a really amazing time very creative and 480 00:22:26,430 --> 00:22:25,409 so I was able to I would combine both 481 00:22:29,759 --> 00:22:26,440 attitude 482 00:22:31,619 --> 00:22:29,769 into into my music right where you own 483 00:22:34,739 --> 00:22:31,629 that where you a metal gaijin yeah still 484 00:22:37,049 --> 00:22:34,749 em have to ask this question that sure I 485 00:22:38,820 --> 00:22:37,059 know that I am aghast and I'm supposed 486 00:22:40,489 --> 00:22:38,830 to be answering questions but my I've 487 00:22:42,869 --> 00:22:40,499 always wondered this why is it that 488 00:22:47,460 --> 00:22:42,879 paranormal radio shows and television 489 00:22:49,619 --> 00:22:47,470 shows why is it that metal seems to be 490 00:22:52,649 --> 00:22:49,629 the music that they play like I listen 491 00:22:56,340 --> 00:22:52,659 mom was right now almost entirely to 492 00:22:59,009 --> 00:22:56,350 jazz and very kind of slow soundtrack II 493 00:23:01,139 --> 00:22:59,019 music but on television and radios it's 494 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:01,149 all guitar solos and heavy metal yeah 495 00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:09,730 like this show you know I just it comes 496 00:23:15,210 --> 00:23:11,710 from the same things that you had just 497 00:23:17,879 --> 00:23:15,220 mentioned here that punk rock made you 498 00:23:21,570 --> 00:23:17,889 it wasn't necessarily a paranormal event 499 00:23:25,580 --> 00:23:21,580 but it was your friends and and you and 500 00:23:29,009 --> 00:23:25,590 and music that that drove you to certain 501 00:23:30,899 --> 00:23:29,019 beliefs in the chaser of knowledge and I 502 00:23:34,289 --> 00:23:30,909 would say that it's the same thing for 503 00:23:36,869 --> 00:23:34,299 me because my foundation is music I just 504 00:23:40,229 --> 00:23:36,879 happened for you it was the Dead 505 00:23:42,749 --> 00:23:40,239 Kennedys and the misfits right for me it 506 00:23:48,269 --> 00:23:42,759 was it was Van Halen and and Black 507 00:23:50,369 --> 00:23:48,279 Sabbath and Ozzy but also the the other 508 00:23:56,159 --> 00:23:50,379 strange part is one of my favorite bands 509 00:23:58,680 --> 00:23:56,169 of all time is PIL oh yeah yeah and and 510 00:24:02,639 --> 00:23:58,690 especially that first record and and all 511 00:24:05,489 --> 00:24:02,649 of it and the Sex Pistols so I can 512 00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:05,499 appreciate both but that's so that's 513 00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:08,049 where the music comes from for me and I 514 00:24:13,259 --> 00:24:09,279 would say that other hosts other 515 00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:13,269 producers I was it's that you know what 516 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:14,320 that's a great question 517 00:24:21,779 --> 00:24:16,690 let's stay right there it's just our era 518 00:24:25,349 --> 00:24:21,789 so uh I my last TV series that I did for 519 00:24:29,549 --> 00:24:25,359 History Channel right so they build a 520 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:29,559 set for me that replicated my bunker I 521 00:24:35,729 --> 00:24:33,129 have 15 or 20 guitars in here that are 522 00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:35,739 on display right so they came here they 523 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:38,470 photographed the studio and then they 524 00:24:44,490 --> 00:24:39,370 went and 525 00:24:47,660 --> 00:24:44,500 me a set here in Los Angeles and I show 526 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:47,670 up at the set and the producers there 527 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:50,530 had been told by the executive producers 528 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:54,130 the team bring all of your guitars from 529 00:24:59,910 --> 00:24:56,770 home we're gonna decorate Jimmy's set 530 00:25:02,340 --> 00:24:59,920 with various guitars and I showed up 531 00:25:05,340 --> 00:25:02,350 there in the amount of guitar anyway so 532 00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:05,350 I looked around at the producers and I 533 00:25:09,180 --> 00:25:06,760 was like what's going on here they're 534 00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:09,190 all into UFOs they're all into 535 00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:11,440 conspiracy they're all into these 536 00:25:17,250 --> 00:25:13,510 subjects some are members of MUFON 537 00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:17,260 whatever they all had guitars and they 538 00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:20,830 all played and we sat and talked music 539 00:25:26,730 --> 00:25:23,740 and guitars that day and I was I was 540 00:25:29,730 --> 00:25:26,740 shocked by that so it answers your 541 00:25:31,290 --> 00:25:29,740 question the way that I asked you you 542 00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:31,300 know and that's I think that's it I 543 00:25:38,460 --> 00:25:34,240 think that we all have the same the same 544 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:38,470 things for us growing up with that 545 00:25:44,610 --> 00:25:42,610 anti-establishment feel 100% which takes 546 00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:44,620 me back to Tom DeLonge all right let's 547 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:46,270 go back to top the log for a sec right 548 00:25:52,740 --> 00:25:49,090 we got it we got to take a break in in 549 00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:52,750 in six minutes five minutes so this is 550 00:25:57,299 --> 00:25:56,110 the thing tom is a punk rock guy 551 00:26:01,560 --> 00:25:57,309 blink-182 552 00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:01,570 and you understand the punk rules and 553 00:26:08,370 --> 00:26:04,740 the punk rules are very simple 554 00:26:12,660 --> 00:26:08,380 were we're we're not gonna side with the 555 00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:12,670 man we are doing our own thing don't mix 556 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:16,240 with the man or or society in general 557 00:26:23,940 --> 00:26:21,730 and Tom who I talked about it with him 558 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:23,950 on this program about the punk lifestyle 559 00:26:31,140 --> 00:26:26,050 and what that means to really be a real 560 00:26:34,140 --> 00:26:31,150 punk and an anti man and now they've 561 00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:34,150 made like deals with the army all right 562 00:26:41,340 --> 00:26:37,020 and he's and he's working with the CIA 563 00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,350 and he's got staff members of the 564 00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:43,360 Department of Defense you know the real 565 00:26:50,340 --> 00:26:47,679 man is he is he violating the the punk 566 00:26:51,930 --> 00:26:50,350 code of ethics here I mean it's it has 567 00:26:53,010 --> 00:26:51,940 always been interesting to me right 568 00:26:55,410 --> 00:26:53,020 because we 569 00:26:57,270 --> 00:26:55,420 all have had when we're in those scenes 570 00:26:59,610 --> 00:26:57,280 those kind of underground scenes like we 571 00:27:01,320 --> 00:26:59,620 all had those friends that were in it 572 00:27:03,540 --> 00:27:01,330 and we didn't really know why like I was 573 00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:03,550 a lower middle class kid my family 574 00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:04,840 didn't have a lot of money my dad was 575 00:27:09,810 --> 00:27:07,390 mechanic like and then you would have 576 00:27:11,940 --> 00:27:09,820 those kids whose dads were like 577 00:27:13,620 --> 00:27:11,950 high-profile attorneys and lawyers and 578 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:13,630 had like and we don't we couldn't figure 579 00:27:16,830 --> 00:27:15,130 out why they were in the scene like were 580 00:27:20,220 --> 00:27:16,840 they just trying to grab on to something 581 00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:20,230 and I feel I mean I don't I don't know 582 00:27:23,730 --> 00:27:22,030 Tom I've never talked to him but like he 583 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:23,740 does come from us somewhat wealthy 584 00:27:27,540 --> 00:27:25,690 background his father you know was 585 00:27:29,010 --> 00:27:27,550 involved in the aerospace industry and 586 00:27:32,340 --> 00:27:29,020 so there were some connections there 587 00:27:34,530 --> 00:27:32,350 readily made and you know I had the 588 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:34,540 opportunity to join the Freemasons and 589 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:36,250 didn't my grandfather was a very 590 00:27:39,390 --> 00:27:37,930 high-ranking Mason and I didn't because 591 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:39,400 I didn't want to be told what to do and 592 00:27:46,350 --> 00:27:42,010 Tom's a freemason and it just seems like 593 00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:46,360 to me that wasn't the kind of punk-rock 594 00:27:50,250 --> 00:27:48,580 ideology I was looking for from someone 595 00:27:53,250 --> 00:27:50,260 who's claiming to be punk rock but I 596 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:53,260 mean you can't tell this is the other 597 00:27:57,540 --> 00:27:54,850 part of punk rock right like you can't 598 00:27:59,280 --> 00:27:57,550 tell someone that they're not because 599 00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,290 then that starts judging and that's not 600 00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:01,360 what punk rock is supposed to be right 601 00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:04,870 and then you have the the wannabe the 602 00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,080 fakers in in punk rock and opposers 603 00:28:13,650 --> 00:28:10,480 little posers and you know just because 604 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:13,660 you have a razor blade somewhere 605 00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:16,570 adorning your body or your clothes or 606 00:28:23,460 --> 00:28:20,500 whatever a safety pin doesn't make you 607 00:28:26,370 --> 00:28:23,470 part of this group you have to earn it 608 00:28:29,310 --> 00:28:26,380 and and that's they're always on the 609 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:29,320 lookout for the posers in the bug in the 610 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:33,130 punk world and and I kind of look at at 611 00:28:39,420 --> 00:28:36,730 Tom could he have been just that a poser 612 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:39,430 because the punk rock world would never 613 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:42,610 accept him hanging out with with you 614 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:45,130 know the establishment of Washington DC 615 00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:48,010 well and in the UFO community right like 616 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:50,110 the UFO community has this very hard 617 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:52,210 line about like never trust the 618 00:28:55,620 --> 00:28:54,010 government ever and then you have then 619 00:28:57,330 --> 00:28:55,630 you have someone come in who says like 620 00:28:59,070 --> 00:28:57,340 okay now you can trust the government 621 00:29:02,250 --> 00:28:59,080 because the government is talking to me 622 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:02,260 that's a big red flag and just not in my 623 00:29:06,450 --> 00:29:04,330 punk-rock ideals but in just my 624 00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:06,460 researcher ideals like 625 00:29:09,810 --> 00:29:08,080 I know that the government has 626 00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:09,820 disinformation agents I know that they 627 00:29:13,499 --> 00:29:11,110 have spread this information throughout 628 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:13,509 this community and other communities and 629 00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:15,490 so all of a sudden I'm supposed to throw 630 00:29:19,529 --> 00:29:17,710 everything into the garbage simply 631 00:29:21,749 --> 00:29:19,539 because one person or two people are 632 00:29:23,159 --> 00:29:21,759 telling me to like that just goes it's 633 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:23,169 and typical to everything I've ever 634 00:29:29,369 --> 00:29:25,570 thought about and that's why you are 635 00:29:31,109 --> 00:29:29,379 John Elte right there let's take a break 636 00:29:33,539 --> 00:29:31,119 this is fade to black our guest tonight 637 00:29:36,810 --> 00:29:33,549 John E alt any I'm your host Amy Church 638 00:29:38,970 --> 00:29:36,820 on the game changer network and kg RA 639 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:38,980 the planet you can follow John right 640 00:29:42,539 --> 00:29:39,730 there on Twitter 641 00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:42,549 John il-10 e the links are up in Twitter 642 00:29:46,769 --> 00:29:44,529 come follow me on twitter @jj Church 643 00:29:47,970 --> 00:29:46,779 radio more the conversation when we come 644 00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:47,980 back after this short break 645 00:30:05,160 --> 00:29:49,750 stay with us 646 00:30:05,170 --> 00:30:09,210 [Music] 647 00:30:14,490 --> 00:30:12,180 all right welcome back fade to black I'm 648 00:30:21,690 --> 00:30:14,500 your host Amy church tonight John teeth 649 00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:21,700 shine teddy is with his talking punk 650 00:30:26,790 --> 00:30:24,070 rock man I'm just all I got to get up 651 00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:26,800 during the break in and break out one of 652 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:28,390 the guitars you guys are watching me on 653 00:30:35,370 --> 00:30:30,970 the camera see I just can't help but 654 00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:35,380 play my the name of my punk band in the 655 00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:41,200 80s John was the foam decoys we had and 656 00:30:45,270 --> 00:30:44,110 I I don't I mean I talked about this to 657 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:45,280 friends and stuff but again I don't have 658 00:30:49,230 --> 00:30:46,330 any secrets 659 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:49,240 the most the craziest thing that we ever 660 00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:54,250 did do you know who GG Allin is yes yeah 661 00:30:59,460 --> 00:30:57,760 we we opened for GG the night before he 662 00:31:00,410 --> 00:30:59,470 went to prison for setting someone on a 663 00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:00,420 phone right 664 00:31:07,620 --> 00:31:04,270 well that's hey hey that that's pretty 665 00:31:12,030 --> 00:31:07,630 cool actually it was frightening to be 666 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:12,040 in the room with that man I we could sit 667 00:31:21,030 --> 00:31:14,490 here and trade music stories all night 668 00:31:25,980 --> 00:31:21,040 I'll say my some of those okay some of 669 00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:25,990 the craziest things I'll say this Johnny 670 00:31:33,780 --> 00:31:30,070 Thunders is he's playing here in Los 671 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:33,790 Angeles and you know a friend had called 672 00:31:39,810 --> 00:31:36,850 up and said okay you know for whatever 673 00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:39,820 reason I can't get into the details 674 00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:42,880 we ended up attending one of his shows 675 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:47,430 and and I stood in front of him watching 676 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:52,210 watching him play and watching the 677 00:32:00,180 --> 00:31:57,370 audience freak out on him and is playing 678 00:32:03,030 --> 00:32:00,190 in his songwriting and in his attitude 679 00:32:05,730 --> 00:32:03,040 and the way that that he presented 680 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:05,740 himself and and me you know a gunslinger 681 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:08,650 guitar player and I stood back and all I 682 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:10,690 could think of is that's how it's done 683 00:32:18,210 --> 00:32:13,450 right there that right there that's 684 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:18,220 that's the real deal I was never I was a 685 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:19,930 guitar player in my later bands but I 686 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:21,370 was never a very good guitar player I 687 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:23,050 was a great 688 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:25,810 I was not a lead I was not a lead 689 00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:27,970 guitarist I was always a backup but I 690 00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:29,440 mean I mean I was the lead guitars 691 00:32:33,780 --> 00:32:30,640 because there was only one guitarist in 692 00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:33,790 my grunge band in the 90s but I was 693 00:32:40,590 --> 00:32:35,980 never very good at soloing no noodling 694 00:32:43,890 --> 00:32:40,600 on my behalf right well okay I'll I'll 695 00:32:47,790 --> 00:32:43,900 do this I'll say this one story okay 696 00:32:51,090 --> 00:32:47,800 killer Kane right bass player New York 697 00:32:54,510 --> 00:32:51,100 Dolls I'm with a killer did an interview 698 00:32:55,470 --> 00:32:54,520 with him and we are at the whiskey and 699 00:32:58,010 --> 00:32:55,480 we're upstairs 700 00:33:01,230 --> 00:32:58,020 hanging out and there was a photographer 701 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:01,240 there that was with us and we take a 702 00:33:08,550 --> 00:33:06,250 group picture and Arthur Arthur killer 703 00:33:12,170 --> 00:33:08,560 Kane's no longer with us right but we 704 00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:12,180 take this group picture and this 705 00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:15,520 boyfriend and this girl you know that 706 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:17,950 we're at the end of this thing somebody 707 00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:19,570 turned around and thought it would be 708 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:22,480 funny for this picture to pour a drink 709 00:33:27,660 --> 00:33:25,810 on Arthur's head and he was he was like 710 00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:27,670 six four right he was a big boy he's a 711 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:31,360 big tall guy and I feel my arm is around 712 00:33:36,990 --> 00:33:33,730 Arthur his arms around me and I feel the 713 00:33:41,250 --> 00:33:37,000 drink go down my arm and I look and I 714 00:33:43,470 --> 00:33:41,260 see the hand and as I all I thought to 715 00:33:46,770 --> 00:33:43,480 myself was why would you do that I stood 716 00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:46,780 back and I watched Arthur punch this guy 717 00:33:57,930 --> 00:33:53,440 in a split second he didn't think twice 718 00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:57,940 he just hauled off this guy who was out 719 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:01,600 cold and we just went back to the 720 00:34:06,270 --> 00:34:04,690 evening but again I just thought to my 721 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:06,280 that's how you do it right there that 722 00:34:11,700 --> 00:34:09,370 that's he is he is the real he is the 723 00:34:13,470 --> 00:34:11,710 real deal but anyway we could trade 724 00:34:18,450 --> 00:34:13,480 these stories all night let's get to 725 00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:18,460 Helier I just completed 726 00:34:24,870 --> 00:34:21,520 I watched season two twice now I've 727 00:34:28,050 --> 00:34:24,880 watched season one probably the same 728 00:34:30,270 --> 00:34:28,060 probably two or three times and coming 729 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:30,280 off of season one which was such a 730 00:34:34,980 --> 00:34:32,050 head-scratcher just thinking about how 731 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:34,990 all of this this series of 732 00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:36,850 synchronicities was playing 733 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:40,240 and it was amazing to watch and then you 734 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:44,410 watch season 2 and all I can think about 735 00:34:54,060 --> 00:34:50,050 is the ability of Greg and Dana and the 736 00:34:57,150 --> 00:34:54,070 team there to have the energy to stay 737 00:35:01,980 --> 00:34:57,160 focused and follow these synchronicities 738 00:35:04,350 --> 00:35:01,990 of which are astoundingly coincidental I 739 00:35:06,090 --> 00:35:04,360 mean at a level that I can't put my 740 00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:06,100 finger on 741 00:35:13,050 --> 00:35:09,760 I just want your overall assessment of 742 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:13,060 that statement because it's it's utterly 743 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:16,090 amazing I mean you know watching what 744 00:35:19,650 --> 00:35:18,010 Greg and Dana and the team Carl and 745 00:35:22,350 --> 00:35:19,660 Connor and Tyler have been able to do is 746 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:22,360 really amazing because they have opened 747 00:35:30,060 --> 00:35:28,210 up a myriad of shells for people to look 748 00:35:31,950 --> 00:35:30,070 inside of and this is you know something 749 00:35:33,390 --> 00:35:31,960 that I've tried to do for thirty years 750 00:35:36,780 --> 00:35:33,400 which is trying to get people to think 751 00:35:38,970 --> 00:35:36,790 slightly stranger about their strange 752 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:38,980 experiences that their people are having 753 00:35:44,090 --> 00:35:41,050 personally and for them to be able to do 754 00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:44,100 it in such a crystalline perfect way is 755 00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:47,230 amazing to me because well first of all 756 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:48,940 you said coincidence you know a lot of 757 00:35:51,330 --> 00:35:50,290 people I talk about this to of my 758 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:51,340 lectures you know the dictionary 759 00:35:55,470 --> 00:35:53,530 definition of a coincidence when a 760 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:55,480 skeptic or an atheist or materialists 761 00:35:59,160 --> 00:35:57,130 tells you oh it's just coincidence 762 00:36:01,560 --> 00:35:59,170 the dictionary definition definition of 763 00:36:03,450 --> 00:36:01,570 a coincidence are seemingly unrelated 764 00:36:06,330 --> 00:36:03,460 events which for no seemingly 765 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:06,340 discernable reason seem to be related so 766 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:11,010 I mean what a kind of bull crap answer I 767 00:36:15,210 --> 00:36:13,450 mean it means that no one understands 768 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:15,220 why they're happening and so to be able 769 00:36:21,150 --> 00:36:18,010 to track them down and follow them or to 770 00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:21,160 be able to find purpose and meaning in 771 00:36:26,010 --> 00:36:22,960 these things that are seemingly 772 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:26,020 unrelated but still related is amazing 773 00:36:31,620 --> 00:36:27,970 and to make that palatable to a larger 774 00:36:35,610 --> 00:36:31,630 audience is for me just literally magic 775 00:36:40,410 --> 00:36:35,620 now you yeah no kidding and you've 776 00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:40,420 you've helped and assisted with them and 777 00:36:47,970 --> 00:36:45,550 and I know that when that the the scene 778 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:47,980 with you guys in Detroit right 779 00:36:53,010 --> 00:36:51,370 well that the reveal of the numbers is 780 00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:53,020 happening that's one thing and I don't 781 00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:54,880 want to do any spoilers on this show 782 00:37:00,180 --> 00:36:57,300 okay so we'll speak in generalities here 783 00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:00,190 but for me and I said this to Greg and 784 00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:04,270 Dana last week for me the numbers part 785 00:37:09,930 --> 00:37:06,310 of it and what Connor did was great and 786 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:09,940 it was he's seeing this unbuttoned was a 787 00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:13,210 small part of what was going on there 788 00:37:21,180 --> 00:37:17,620 it was the connection to Crowley it was 789 00:37:25,220 --> 00:37:21,190 the other references into things again 790 00:37:28,620 --> 00:37:25,230 that were seemingly unrelated suddenly 791 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:28,630 those numbers were connected 792 00:37:34,830 --> 00:37:32,530 they don't 3 + 9 + + 4 18 I don't want 793 00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:34,840 to give anything away but to see how 794 00:37:43,530 --> 00:37:37,320 those were connected into a seemingly 795 00:37:46,260 --> 00:37:43,540 unrelated a series of things from our 796 00:37:48,270 --> 00:37:46,270 history was mind-blowing 797 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:48,280 and I sat there and just thought how can 798 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:51,370 how can this all be be happening but it 799 00:37:58,590 --> 00:37:55,450 was wasn't it yeah I mean so I have told 800 00:38:01,080 --> 00:37:58,600 them even when the first one they were 801 00:38:02,850 --> 00:38:01,090 filming the first season I've told them 802 00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:02,860 specifically to kind of keep me out of 803 00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:05,710 it because I have been on journeys like 804 00:38:09,870 --> 00:38:08,590 this before and throughout the past 30 805 00:38:12,570 --> 00:38:09,880 years there have been times when I have 806 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:12,580 kind of spiraled and there are other 807 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:14,410 researchers before me whether it's 808 00:38:18,660 --> 00:38:16,690 Morris K Jessup or Albert bender there's 809 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:18,670 a litany of people who have lost their 810 00:38:25,020 --> 00:38:22,090 minds trying to do what the team and 811 00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:25,030 Hallie er is doing and I have been to 812 00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:26,950 those edges before and it's not very 813 00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:29,440 comfortable and I really don't like it 814 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:31,180 so I have told them purposely you know 815 00:38:34,530 --> 00:38:33,130 only call me when you need me and so 816 00:38:36,090 --> 00:38:34,540 there was in the first season of Hallie 817 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:36,100 or they call me at like 3 o'clock in the 818 00:38:40,590 --> 00:38:38,290 morning and I answered and told them 819 00:38:45,150 --> 00:38:40,600 that like you will lose your mind if if 820 00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:45,160 you spiral in a certain manner and so I 821 00:38:48,510 --> 00:38:47,110 also think that people forget - if 822 00:38:52,110 --> 00:38:48,520 they're watching season 2 of Hallie er 823 00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:52,120 that episode where I'm at a hotel in 824 00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:53,950 Detroit and they're talking to me that 825 00:38:58,890 --> 00:38:56,800 was two months ago you know that was in 826 00:39:00,690 --> 00:38:58,900 September is when they came to Detroit 827 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:00,700 so I mean you're almost watching this 828 00:39:04,590 --> 00:39:01,810 stuff in real time 829 00:39:06,570 --> 00:39:04,600 and I had no idea of the numbers I had 830 00:39:08,070 --> 00:39:06,580 no idea what they were because I had 831 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:08,080 told them specifically to keep me out of 832 00:39:11,550 --> 00:39:10,330 the loop and so when Connor called me he 833 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:11,560 was like I want some help with this I 834 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:15,250 need some perspective on it I looked at 835 00:39:21,780 --> 00:39:18,970 it as if if I were sending a message to 836 00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:21,790 a ghost hunter who had no idea of what 837 00:39:26,850 --> 00:39:23,830 the kabbalah is and what fellow mites 838 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:26,860 are and how to do numerology how would I 839 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:28,810 send them numbers that they could easily 840 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:31,090 understand and as soon as I looked at it 841 00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:33,610 through that lens as soon as I looked at 842 00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:37,660 it through the eyes of Greg six years 843 00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:40,180 ago not knowing anything about numbers 844 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:42,790 and how numerology works and how you 845 00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:44,770 know if elmo works and stuff like that 846 00:39:49,530 --> 00:39:47,710 it fell immediately into place for me 847 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:49,540 and I was like oh this is this is a 848 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:52,330 direction they need to look in it's kind 849 00:40:00,620 --> 00:39:55,810 of fun isn't it to be the old guy in the 850 00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:03,840 you know because they've got the energy 851 00:40:10,110 --> 00:40:06,880 they're still in a world of wonder right 852 00:40:13,260 --> 00:40:10,120 they're out there getting it done but 853 00:40:17,130 --> 00:40:13,270 they don't understand also how crazy it 854 00:40:20,850 --> 00:40:17,140 can possibly get and you know I'm 56 I'm 855 00:40:23,820 --> 00:40:20,860 not young anymore but I can appreciate 856 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:23,830 what they're going through and the fact 857 00:40:28,260 --> 00:40:25,810 that they have the tenacity to keep 858 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:28,270 their foot on the gas because this has 859 00:40:36,660 --> 00:40:33,010 gone and could still go in in in crazy 860 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:36,670 directions in very disturbing directions 861 00:40:43,380 --> 00:40:39,610 very very quickly well and I think it's 862 00:40:46,140 --> 00:40:43,390 beautiful too that they are very open 863 00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:46,150 and willing and honestly uh portraying 864 00:40:53,130 --> 00:40:49,560 themselves in much of both of seasons 865 00:40:55,830 --> 00:40:53,140 saying that they don't know and saying 866 00:40:58,530 --> 00:40:55,840 they don't understand that's a very 867 00:41:00,600 --> 00:40:58,540 beautiful thing to me because we now 868 00:41:01,950 --> 00:41:00,610 live in a world where whether you're 869 00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:01,960 watching television shows or 870 00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:03,790 listening to talk radio shows or 871 00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:05,950 watching a streaming series you have 872 00:41:11,310 --> 00:41:08,350 experts on and they're supposed to 873 00:41:14,190 --> 00:41:11,320 provide you with the answer with the 874 00:41:15,450 --> 00:41:14,200 definitive conclusion and I think it's 875 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:15,460 so wonderful all 876 00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,090 no inherently in our own being that we 877 00:41:24,270 --> 00:41:21,520 don't know and that's the reason that we 878 00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:24,280 quest down these strange roads and so to 879 00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:26,800 watch a group of people go through an 880 00:41:32,130 --> 00:41:29,920 experience wholeheartedly and and you 881 00:41:34,590 --> 00:41:32,140 know full speed ahead but at the same 882 00:41:35,850 --> 00:41:34,600 time having Danna say stuff like well 883 00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:35,860 this isn't in my wheelhouse 884 00:41:39,780 --> 00:41:38,110 I don't know having Greg saying I don't 885 00:41:41,790 --> 00:41:39,790 know what that means what does that word 886 00:41:45,810 --> 00:41:41,800 mean like that's a beautiful thing for 887 00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:45,820 our community to see the the string of 888 00:41:53,070 --> 00:41:48,880 numbers again no spoilers but the string 889 00:41:56,970 --> 00:41:53,080 of numbers in your estimation what what 890 00:42:02,250 --> 00:41:56,980 would be the odds of those numbers being 891 00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,260 chance while being connected to dozens 892 00:42:08,190 --> 00:42:04,960 of situations that played out right 893 00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:08,200 there in that hotel room what are the 894 00:42:13,650 --> 00:42:10,390 odds that they I met those numbers can 895 00:42:18,060 --> 00:42:13,660 fit conveniently into all of these 896 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:18,070 variables it's very very odd so I I did 897 00:42:22,380 --> 00:42:19,810 you know Connor gave me the numbers 898 00:42:26,130 --> 00:42:22,390 three days before people see what they 899 00:42:28,260 --> 00:42:26,140 see in Helier and so the first thing I 900 00:42:29,940 --> 00:42:28,270 did aside from doing very simple 901 00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:29,950 numerology on it looking at it through 902 00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:31,270 what I thought would have been Greg's 903 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:33,520 eyes or someone's eyes who didn't 904 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:35,490 understand all of the numerical 905 00:42:40,290 --> 00:42:38,530 occultism behind it the first thing I 906 00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:40,300 did was I started doing random number 907 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:44,040 generation to see if I could get that 908 00:42:50,190 --> 00:42:47,650 kind of reoccurrence in the number 909 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:50,200 systems and I sat for an entire day with 910 00:42:55,050 --> 00:42:52,450 a random number generator and just using 911 00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:55,060 house numbers and license plate numbers 912 00:42:58,590 --> 00:42:56,800 writing them down and then trying to 913 00:43:00,510 --> 00:42:58,600 figure out can they be added and 914 00:43:02,610 --> 00:43:00,520 subtracted this way and it just didn't 915 00:43:06,750 --> 00:43:02,620 happen like this seemed a very 916 00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:06,760 definitive and very purposeful the the 917 00:43:13,230 --> 00:43:10,960 other parts of Hollyer which we've 918 00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:13,240 talked about all of these different 919 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:17,200 angles but for me it we can't lose sight 920 00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:22,450 of this entire journey came from an 921 00:43:27,099 --> 00:43:25,990 anonymous email a random email when he 922 00:43:34,089 --> 00:43:27,109 was a teenager 923 00:43:37,569 --> 00:43:34,099 a ghost hunting team of kids has put 924 00:43:42,690 --> 00:43:37,579 them on this journey is it possible that 925 00:43:45,549 --> 00:43:42,700 there is one person that is out there 926 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:45,559 guiding them for maybe an initiation 927 00:43:52,690 --> 00:43:50,210 maybe it's some kind of spell or it's 928 00:43:54,279 --> 00:43:52,700 it's it's a task that needs to be 929 00:43:58,599 --> 00:43:54,289 completed for this individual and 930 00:44:01,989 --> 00:43:58,609 they're using this group to do this is 931 00:44:03,970 --> 00:44:01,999 it that or is it just nature it's just 932 00:44:07,059 --> 00:44:03,980 the way that the universe works and we 933 00:44:11,229 --> 00:44:07,069 need to follow synchronicities I have a 934 00:44:14,529 --> 00:44:11,239 lot of ideas that the universe tries to 935 00:44:17,259 --> 00:44:14,539 expose itself to all of us in the ways 936 00:44:19,660 --> 00:44:17,269 that we can understand it and that many 937 00:44:21,819 --> 00:44:19,670 people just disregard them many people 938 00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:21,829 are too busy and understandably paying 939 00:44:27,940 --> 00:44:25,369 bills going about their life and perhaps 940 00:44:31,150 --> 00:44:27,950 only realize the significance of certain 941 00:44:33,849 --> 00:44:31,160 objects and and occurrences when it's 942 00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:33,859 too late and I think that this is Helier 943 00:44:39,549 --> 00:44:36,319 is a very beautiful thing in that you're 944 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:39,559 seeing people who are recognizing that 945 00:44:42,970 --> 00:44:41,210 something strange is happening and 946 00:44:45,009 --> 00:44:42,980 they're going to engage it now they're 947 00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:45,019 not going to wait for it they're they're 948 00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:46,880 going to experience and they think if 949 00:44:53,289 --> 00:44:49,369 the cosmos if the universe's ever showed 950 00:44:56,529 --> 00:44:53,299 us anything if we can draw any inference 951 00:44:59,200 --> 00:44:56,539 from just looking at reality it's that 952 00:45:04,359 --> 00:44:59,210 reality loves movement it loves change 953 00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:04,369 it loves action it loves motion it seems 954 00:45:10,749 --> 00:45:08,569 to dislike stagnation and if Helier does 955 00:45:12,849 --> 00:45:10,759 anything at all it shows people to 956 00:45:15,819 --> 00:45:12,859 engage with the universe and engage with 957 00:45:19,089 --> 00:45:15,829 weirdness and when you do the universe 958 00:45:22,180 --> 00:45:19,099 engages you back what do we do what and 959 00:45:24,999 --> 00:45:22,190 what we and to you with those 960 00:45:27,579 --> 00:45:25,009 synchronicities I mean they they happen 961 00:45:30,849 --> 00:45:27,589 to all of us daily did you have a 962 00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:30,859 synchronicity today I did have a 963 00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:35,359 synchronicity yeah absolutely and I I 964 00:45:38,850 --> 00:45:37,730 had the synchronicity I had was I woke 965 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:38,860 up 966 00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:42,970 and my alarm clock radio I'm an old man 967 00:45:47,370 --> 00:45:45,280 so I have an alarm clock radio it woke 968 00:45:51,060 --> 00:45:47,380 up and it was playing mr. blue sky by 969 00:45:53,490 --> 00:45:51,070 elo is the song that I woke up to and so 970 00:45:54,990 --> 00:45:53,500 I went about my day just thinking about 971 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:55,000 that because it was in my head because 972 00:45:58,260 --> 00:45:56,050 it was the first thing I heard when I 973 00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:58,270 woke up and then I got in my car I 974 00:46:01,530 --> 00:45:59,920 didn't want to I had to go and run an 975 00:46:03,390 --> 00:46:01,540 errand that I didn't want to do I moved 976 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:03,400 my parents and with me this year so it's 977 00:46:07,890 --> 00:46:05,650 been a difficult year readjusting to 978 00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:07,900 that change and I was doing some stuff I 979 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:10,240 didn't want to do or think that I needed 980 00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:13,450 to do and I was pulled up into a grocery 981 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:15,070 store and I got out of my car and I 982 00:46:21,090 --> 00:46:18,130 started humming mr. blue sky and as I 983 00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,100 walked into the grocery store the chorus 984 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:23,200 to mr. blue sky began to play in the 985 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:25,090 grocery store and I realized ok I'm on 986 00:46:28,740 --> 00:46:27,130 track it's it's alright you don't be mad 987 00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:28,750 you're not doing something that you 988 00:46:33,420 --> 00:46:30,880 don't want to do and you just don't 989 00:46:35,010 --> 00:46:33,430 recognize that the universe is pushing 990 00:46:37,590 --> 00:46:35,020 you in a direction and what do you what 991 00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:37,600 do you do with that you know because so 992 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:40,480 many so me feel you feel relief right 993 00:46:44,370 --> 00:46:42,490 feel relief you you know that there's 994 00:46:47,310 --> 00:46:44,380 meaning where there seems to be none and 995 00:46:48,990 --> 00:46:47,320 that's why a lot of us are engaged in 996 00:46:53,130 --> 00:46:49,000 Supernatural paranormal or occultism 997 00:46:55,740 --> 00:46:53,140 there's meaning is there is there a 998 00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:55,750 connection in and all that there is and 999 00:47:01,200 --> 00:46:57,280 I don't want to ask a generalized 1000 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:01,210 question but when I look at science and 1001 00:47:06,690 --> 00:47:02,890 I look at physics and I look at the 1002 00:47:09,420 --> 00:47:06,700 universe and and and question all of the 1003 00:47:11,610 --> 00:47:09,430 science that is out there the you know 1004 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:11,620 time travel and parallel worlds and 1005 00:47:18,690 --> 00:47:15,490 interdimensional t vers all of these 1006 00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:18,700 things are starting to mesh and merge 1007 00:47:23,130 --> 00:47:21,640 right in front of us which is telling me 1008 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:23,140 that it was all connected from the 1009 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:27,490 beginning yeah I I think that's that's 1010 00:47:32,220 --> 00:47:30,130 kind of the message like it's hard for 1011 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:32,230 us to understand as human beings that 1012 00:47:37,470 --> 00:47:35,650 the world isn't dualism it's very 1013 00:47:39,090 --> 00:47:37,480 comforting for us to think about right 1014 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:39,100 and wrong hot and cold left and right 1015 00:47:42,990 --> 00:47:40,810 black and white day and night like that 1016 00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,000 there are opposites but the reality is 1017 00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:45,040 that there are an infinite ood of 1018 00:47:52,380 --> 00:47:49,260 choices and possibilities and that is 1019 00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:52,390 what makes solidity and I know that 1020 00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:52,630 sound 1021 00:47:56,970 --> 00:47:55,150 paradoxical and I sometimes will tell 1022 00:47:59,550 --> 00:47:56,980 people you know it's hard for us to 1023 00:48:01,740 --> 00:47:59,560 understand those paradoxes because we've 1024 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:01,750 been so conformed into thinking about 1025 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:05,650 duality but even human beings the fact 1026 00:48:10,890 --> 00:48:07,570 that each one of us is a different 1027 00:48:13,710 --> 00:48:10,900 creature that there we are unique in our 1028 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:13,720 design that's the thing that we have in 1029 00:48:17,550 --> 00:48:16,810 common our commonality is that we are 1030 00:48:20,490 --> 00:48:17,560 different 1031 00:48:26,250 --> 00:48:20,500 that's how strange this is to live in a 1032 00:48:31,710 --> 00:48:26,260 non dualistic world is is is there a 1033 00:48:35,330 --> 00:48:31,720 control element with that knowledge in 1034 00:48:37,890 --> 00:48:35,340 that they is there an organised 1035 00:48:39,980 --> 00:48:37,900 institution out there to keep that 1036 00:48:44,250 --> 00:48:39,990 knowledge and understanding from us 1037 00:48:47,010 --> 00:48:44,260 where it seems that the ancients have no 1038 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:47,020 matter what the culture did understand 1039 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:48,850 this and somewhere along the line they 1040 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:51,850 pulled it away from us I think so I mean 1041 00:48:59,400 --> 00:48:55,810 they're absolutely is power in keeping 1042 00:49:05,040 --> 00:48:59,410 us divided the idea that you know when 1043 00:49:07,620 --> 00:49:05,050 you look at European and and paintings 1044 00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:07,630 of the pyramids being built right or you 1045 00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:10,000 read or watch the Ten Commandments like 1046 00:49:13,350 --> 00:49:11,710 they're our slaves building the pyramids 1047 00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:13,360 but if you talk to historians they'll 1048 00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:15,100 tell you that the pyramids were built 1049 00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:16,480 where there were no slaves they were 1050 00:49:20,250 --> 00:49:18,160 built out of a reverence and a worship 1051 00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:20,260 the gods in the universe that people 1052 00:49:24,750 --> 00:49:22,270 were working together to accomplish that 1053 00:49:26,580 --> 00:49:24,760 task and then you even have a more 1054 00:49:28,050 --> 00:49:26,590 modern version saying well people back 1055 00:49:29,420 --> 00:49:28,060 then there's no way they could have 1056 00:49:31,860 --> 00:49:29,430 possibly built that stuff without 1057 00:49:33,780 --> 00:49:31,870 extraterrestrial help as if the people 1058 00:49:35,340 --> 00:49:33,790 in the past working together who had a 1059 00:49:38,130 --> 00:49:35,350 reverence for the universe and the 1060 00:49:42,030 --> 00:49:38,140 weirdness of their reality were somehow 1061 00:49:47,010 --> 00:49:42,040 less than us because we have Nike and 1062 00:49:49,170 --> 00:49:47,020 iPhones what what's the advantage of the 1063 00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:49,180 divide and conquer and suppression of 1064 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:51,550 knowledge I mean if if all of this 1065 00:49:57,450 --> 00:49:53,890 secrecy exists and I believe that it 1066 00:50:00,690 --> 00:49:57,460 does but in the end what's the advantage 1067 00:50:05,220 --> 00:50:00,700 why would they do it I think it's 1068 00:50:06,099 --> 00:50:05,230 because people have a especially people 1069 00:50:09,999 --> 00:50:06,109 in power and 1070 00:50:12,370 --> 00:50:10,009 control because we don't know because I 1071 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:12,380 think that life is supposed to be an 1072 00:50:17,170 --> 00:50:14,690 endless mystery and because these people 1073 00:50:19,059 --> 00:50:17,180 who have control and power whether it be 1074 00:50:20,620 --> 00:50:19,069 through families or corporations 1075 00:50:23,019 --> 00:50:20,630 government political entities whatever 1076 00:50:24,729 --> 00:50:23,029 you have because they're unsure because 1077 00:50:25,989 --> 00:50:24,739 they haven't done self reflection 1078 00:50:28,450 --> 00:50:25,999 because they're not introverted because 1079 00:50:30,849 --> 00:50:28,460 they don't engage the strange they are 1080 00:50:33,009 --> 00:50:30,859 convinced that right now is all that 1081 00:50:35,229 --> 00:50:33,019 exists and so they need to acquire as 1082 00:50:38,349 --> 00:50:35,239 much wealth and power and money as 1083 00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:38,359 possible so that they can be ahead of 1084 00:50:40,930 --> 00:50:39,440 everyone else 1085 00:50:45,220 --> 00:50:40,940 I really do think that that's probably 1086 00:50:48,759 --> 00:50:45,230 their only goal in it and does it does 1087 00:50:52,299 --> 00:50:48,769 it all end in money as well I mean the 1088 00:50:54,759 --> 00:50:52,309 the power side of it is it is it greed 1089 00:50:57,099 --> 00:50:54,769 and the accumulation of wealth that 1090 00:50:59,499 --> 00:50:57,109 forces them to suppress the knowledge 1091 00:51:03,370 --> 00:50:59,509 and again this isn't a general kind of 1092 00:51:05,620 --> 00:51:03,380 comment or question but it seems like 1093 00:51:07,539 --> 00:51:05,630 everything is is connected whether it is 1094 00:51:10,180 --> 00:51:07,549 the banking system and Wars and 1095 00:51:14,349 --> 00:51:10,190 knowledge in college but as long as they 1096 00:51:18,579 --> 00:51:14,359 can control all of that they win and it 1097 00:51:23,739 --> 00:51:18,589 seems it seems like as it's the internet 1098 00:51:26,460 --> 00:51:23,749 it seems like that today we are able to 1099 00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:26,470 collect this knowledge that in the past 1100 00:51:32,650 --> 00:51:30,319 they had control of but now we have this 1101 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:32,660 this freedom to go and research this and 1102 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:36,970 this is what we're finding out now yeah 1103 00:51:45,130 --> 00:51:41,930 it's very strange to me that people want 1104 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:45,140 to acquire I mean it's yes of course 1105 00:51:48,609 --> 00:51:47,210 everyone wants to have the things that 1106 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:48,619 would make them happy and for some 1107 00:51:55,029 --> 00:51:50,930 reason they believe that that is wealth 1108 00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:55,039 and stuff that has always seemed very 1109 00:51:58,720 --> 00:51:57,410 strange to me again maybe that's just 1110 00:52:00,249 --> 00:51:58,730 because I grew up a very lower 1111 00:52:03,390 --> 00:52:00,259 middle-class kid and I didn't need very 1112 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:03,400 much to be happy but the idea that 1113 00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:07,130 physical material goods are the prime 1114 00:52:15,029 --> 00:52:10,730 driver is so bizarre and frustrating to 1115 00:52:18,339 --> 00:52:15,039 me when you realize that these people 1116 00:52:19,340 --> 00:52:18,349 the ones that seem to be in control or 1117 00:52:22,070 --> 00:52:19,350 have the most 1118 00:52:24,380 --> 00:52:22,080 Tyrael power and wealth they don't 1119 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:24,390 engage the strange they don't engage 1120 00:52:33,590 --> 00:52:29,210 weirdness they are completely focused on 1121 00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:33,600 the materialism of right now and I I 1122 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:37,020 think there's power in living in a 1123 00:52:41,590 --> 00:52:38,850 moment and not living in the past or 1124 00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:41,600 living in the future but when that power 1125 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:45,920 is focused toward only the gain and the 1126 00:52:51,110 --> 00:52:49,410 pushing of a single self forward or a 1127 00:52:53,380 --> 00:52:51,120 single family forward I think that's 1128 00:52:56,660 --> 00:52:53,390 where some corruption comes in and 1129 00:52:58,960 --> 00:52:56,670 that's where we fall under the illusion 1130 00:53:03,020 --> 00:52:58,970 that that's what we want 1131 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:03,030 the the other day is two days ago a big 1132 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:05,610 headline here in Los Angeles the Beverly 1133 00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:09,210 Hillbillies mansion was just sold right 1134 00:53:14,060 --> 00:53:11,400 and it's a it's a ridiculous house by 1135 00:53:15,830 --> 00:53:14,070 the way it's just ridiculous sold it for 1136 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:15,840 like a hundred and fifty million dollars 1137 00:53:21,770 --> 00:53:19,490 and most expensive property in 1138 00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:21,780 California history right and I thought 1139 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:26,520 to myself that's insanity and then later 1140 00:53:30,740 --> 00:53:28,170 on in the article which I knew about 1141 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:30,750 this I spoke about it last year the most 1142 00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:33,570 expensive property in the United States 1143 00:53:40,670 --> 00:53:37,200 was sold last year in New York City it 1144 00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:40,680 was a hedge fund guy two hundred and 1145 00:53:49,940 --> 00:53:45,720 fifty million dollars right it's just 1146 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:49,950 stop until who has that kind of money 1147 00:53:58,550 --> 00:53:53,850 where you are going to purchase a piece 1148 00:54:01,130 --> 00:53:58,560 of property for 250 million dollars 1149 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:01,140 what kind of wealth are we looking at 1150 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:02,810 here 1151 00:54:10,310 --> 00:54:08,130 250 and million oh yeah go ahead 1152 00:54:11,870 --> 00:54:10,320 it's very strange its I was just gonna 1153 00:54:14,930 --> 00:54:11,880 say it's very strange to me when I was 1154 00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:14,940 again where the we were all the 1155 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:16,980 culmination of our personal experiences 1156 00:54:22,250 --> 00:54:19,170 when I was a teenager my mother did 1157 00:54:24,140 --> 00:54:22,260 eldercare and and so I helped her with 1158 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:24,150 doing eldercare and I saw a lot of 1159 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:27,210 people in there in their last days 1160 00:54:32,770 --> 00:54:30,570 before they passed away at rich and poor 1161 00:54:35,859 --> 00:54:32,780 and the one thing 1162 00:54:40,690 --> 00:54:35,869 was consistent between rich and poor was 1163 00:54:42,790 --> 00:54:40,700 that they wanted more time to experience 1164 00:54:45,790 --> 00:54:42,800 the universe they wanted more time to 1165 00:54:48,339 --> 00:54:45,800 swim and laugh and walk in the forest 1166 00:54:50,530 --> 00:54:48,349 and walk on the ground they didn't want 1167 00:54:52,180 --> 00:54:50,540 more shoes they didn't want more 1168 00:54:53,950 --> 00:54:52,190 buildings and they didn't want more 1169 00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:53,960 houses and there were some of my mom's 1170 00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:56,240 clients were wealthy that's not what 1171 00:55:00,370 --> 00:54:58,160 they would talk to us about they talked 1172 00:55:02,170 --> 00:55:00,380 to us about they wanted someone to hold 1173 00:55:04,510 --> 00:55:02,180 their hand a little longer 1174 00:55:06,550 --> 00:55:04,520 they wanted to ask someone questions 1175 00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,560 like these are the things that we should 1176 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:08,960 be doing our entire lives not the last 1177 00:55:14,830 --> 00:55:11,930 five minutes yeah and we need to take a 1178 00:55:18,310 --> 00:55:14,840 break right here and well as I was 1179 00:55:20,980 --> 00:55:18,320 reading that a couple of days ago I've 1180 00:55:24,210 --> 00:55:20,990 thought to myself here I am 56 you know 1181 00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,220 and am I gonna buy another home you know 1182 00:55:28,839 --> 00:55:26,720 how many years or what that stuff's not 1183 00:55:31,630 --> 00:55:28,849 important to me you know what's 1184 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:31,640 important to me is is my friends and my 1185 00:55:36,580 --> 00:55:34,250 family and and just trying to figure 1186 00:55:39,970 --> 00:55:36,590 things out and knowledge that's what's 1187 00:55:42,070 --> 00:55:39,980 important to me would I go and and have 1188 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:42,080 the quest of a two hundred and fifty 1189 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:46,010 million dollar home the answer is I 1190 00:55:50,770 --> 00:55:47,690 would not let's take a break right here 1191 00:55:54,250 --> 00:55:50,780 our guest tonight John E L 10 e tomorrow 1192 00:55:57,099 --> 00:55:54,260 night right here is Matthew morning and 1193 00:55:59,020 --> 00:55:57,109 then Wednesday night is our Star Trek 1194 00:56:02,680 --> 00:55:59,030 especially bent with Mark Cushman and 1195 00:56:04,180 --> 00:56:02,690 Vic Montagna Thursday night is fader 1196 00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:04,190 night open lines all night long I'll be 1197 00:56:45,330 --> 00:56:42,660 [Music] 1198 00:56:48,310 --> 00:56:45,340 [Applause] 1199 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:48,320 welcome back fade to black I'm your 1200 00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:50,090 Jimmy Church I'm the game changer 1201 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:53,119 network in KCRA the planets you can 1202 00:56:59,140 --> 00:56:55,810 follow me on Twitter at Jay Church radio 1203 00:57:01,570 --> 00:56:59,150 you can follow John at John e.l teni 1204 00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,580 right there on Twitter hashtag f2 B is 1205 00:57:04,510 --> 00:57:03,920 the sandbox you can engage conversation 1206 00:57:06,970 --> 00:57:04,520 there 1207 00:57:09,370 --> 00:57:06,980 hashtag f2b Q is fade to black questions 1208 00:57:13,060 --> 00:57:09,380 and of course we have to chat rooms that 1209 00:57:18,190 --> 00:57:13,070 are open John speaking about how things 1210 00:57:22,770 --> 00:57:18,200 are connected back in the 2000s we saw 1211 00:57:25,570 --> 00:57:22,780 the amazing and rapid rise of paranormal 1212 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:25,580 ghost hunting groups and television 1213 00:57:30,490 --> 00:57:27,530 programming I don't know what the list 1214 00:57:34,570 --> 00:57:30,500 is now I don't know how many shows are 1215 00:57:37,570 --> 00:57:34,580 are on but they are certainly everywhere 1216 00:57:39,550 --> 00:57:37,580 what do you think is ultimately driving 1217 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:39,560 this fascination into ghosts in the 1218 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:42,650 paranormal today you know there's always 1219 00:57:47,740 --> 00:57:45,530 for me it's interesting because you know 1220 00:57:49,450 --> 00:57:47,750 I started as a researcher for unsolved 1221 00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:49,460 mysteries in the 90s and if you would 1222 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:52,310 have told me that ten years later there 1223 00:57:56,020 --> 00:57:54,170 would be dozens upon dozens of ghost 1224 00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:56,030 shows on television I would have thought 1225 00:57:59,170 --> 00:57:57,530 that you were completely insane there's 1226 00:58:01,780 --> 00:57:59,180 no way anybody would ever want to watch 1227 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:01,790 that even though people have interests 1228 00:58:05,230 --> 00:58:03,170 in paranormal phenomena I didn't think 1229 00:58:08,260 --> 00:58:05,240 that people would cozy up on the couch 1230 00:58:11,170 --> 00:58:08,270 an hour for to even watch one much less 1231 00:58:15,940 --> 00:58:11,180 five or ten or twelve but there is an 1232 00:58:18,580 --> 00:58:15,950 inborn a kind of instinctual quest that 1233 00:58:20,980 --> 00:58:18,590 we're all on I don't know how deep it 1234 00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:20,990 goes for most people but you know there 1235 00:58:28,810 --> 00:58:25,609 is a love of the unknown in every one 1236 00:58:31,180 --> 00:58:28,820 and I think that paranormal shows kind 1237 00:58:33,099 --> 00:58:31,190 of feed that I think they do some good 1238 00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:33,109 but I think they do some harm at the 1239 00:58:38,530 --> 00:58:36,050 same time I think that they don't allow 1240 00:58:40,090 --> 00:58:38,540 people to see exactly what paranormal 1241 00:58:42,310 --> 00:58:40,100 research is like that you don't get to 1242 00:58:44,140 --> 00:58:42,320 really deep dive the research it doesn't 1243 00:58:45,550 --> 00:58:44,150 make for good television producers and 1244 00:58:48,460 --> 00:58:45,560 directors will tell you that you know 1245 00:58:50,620 --> 00:58:48,470 that but you know they have to have 1246 00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:50,630 popping points they have to be driven by 1247 00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:52,400 narratives you have to have an end goal 1248 00:58:58,050 --> 00:58:56,240 there has to be some kind of horrible 1249 00:59:01,740 --> 00:58:58,060 thing that's going to happen or Jim Gray 1250 00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:01,750 reveal and and that I feel turns a lot 1251 00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,760 of people off when they actually start 1252 00:59:08,910 --> 00:59:05,680 to investigate paranormal phenomena they 1253 00:59:12,570 --> 00:59:08,920 realize how slight and how strange it is 1254 00:59:14,670 --> 00:59:12,580 that it's sometimes infinitesimal it's 1255 00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,680 not someone scratching you on the back 1256 00:59:18,510 --> 00:59:16,720 or a demon possessing you sometimes it 1257 00:59:20,190 --> 00:59:18,520 is a song on the radio sometimes it is a 1258 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:20,200 butterfly landing on your shoulder 1259 00:59:25,470 --> 00:59:22,690 sometimes it is you can't find your shoe 1260 00:59:29,060 --> 00:59:25,480 like that's the way that the paranormal 1261 00:59:31,830 --> 00:59:29,070 works sometimes it seems to a lot of us 1262 00:59:33,330 --> 00:59:31,840 if you're not engaging it fully if you 1263 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:33,340 engage it fully obviously you can get 1264 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:35,050 stranger and stranger but when people 1265 00:59:38,850 --> 00:59:36,850 watch television shows they get that 1266 00:59:42,330 --> 00:59:38,860 kind of jump scare because people also 1267 00:59:44,340 --> 00:59:42,340 love horror movies you probably know as 1268 00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:44,350 well as a lot of your listeners that 1269 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:47,170 paranormal television shows appeal to a 1270 00:59:53,730 --> 00:59:49,930 wide crowd but not necessarily all of 1271 00:59:55,710 --> 00:59:53,740 them are interested in hunting for 1272 00:59:57,390 --> 00:59:55,720 ghosts the most watched ghost show on 1273 00:59:58,800 --> 00:59:57,400 television right now I mean I just I 1274 00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:58,810 don't have any secrets and I try and 1275 01:00:01,440 --> 00:59:59,920 talk about the things I know but the 1276 01:00:03,170 --> 01:00:01,450 most-watched television show that's 1277 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:03,180 paranormal based on television has like 1278 01:00:09,090 --> 01:00:07,330 1.4 million viewers and I would estimate 1279 01:00:11,850 --> 01:00:09,100 that probably half of that are people 1280 01:00:14,190 --> 01:00:11,860 who just like to be scared and so then 1281 01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:14,200 you're down to about 500,000 people who 1282 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:15,970 are actually interested in ghosts that's 1283 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:19,570 not a huge community but what is okay 1284 01:00:23,060 --> 01:00:21,850 and based on those numbers and we're 1285 01:00:29,850 --> 01:00:23,070 going to stay right here 1286 01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:29,860 CNN CNN or Fox right now as you and I 1287 01:00:36,990 --> 01:00:33,000 are speaking have a viewership of around 1288 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:37,000 500,000 people right and then you could 1289 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:41,050 have a ghost program or ancient aliens 1290 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:44,650 with a million million and a half and 1291 01:00:49,650 --> 01:00:47,890 that that says a lot and certainly the 1292 01:00:51,860 --> 01:00:49,660 advertisers and the corporation's out 1293 01:00:54,450 --> 01:00:51,870 there recognize this too this is not 1294 01:00:59,310 --> 01:00:54,460 some some passing event this is 1295 01:01:01,590 --> 01:00:59,320 something real with society but 500,000 1296 01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:01,600 viewers that CNN might have our MSNBC 1297 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:03,520 might have err that Fox might have there 1298 01:01:08,460 --> 01:01:05,290 are 24 hours a day 1299 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:08,470 half a dozen if not more news channels 1300 01:01:11,810 --> 01:01:10,690 on that get those ratings when you have 1301 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:11,820 one show 1302 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:15,330 on on Friday that gets 300 or 400 1303 01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,850 thousand viewers and then you have those 1304 01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:19,680 three or 400 thousand viewers now you're 1305 01:01:23,300 --> 01:01:20,880 only down to a hundred thousand 1306 01:01:24,860 --> 01:01:23,310 listeners it's not that huge of a fan 1307 01:01:27,050 --> 01:01:24,870 base it's not that huge of a target 1308 01:01:30,170 --> 01:01:27,060 audience and yet somehow someone knows 1309 01:01:32,810 --> 01:01:30,180 that that's gonna do better than you 1310 01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:32,820 know the 25th season of the Kardashians 1311 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:34,710 and make no mistake the Kardashians have 1312 01:01:38,750 --> 01:01:36,810 already been to area 51 and investigated 1313 01:01:40,970 --> 01:01:38,760 UFOs that was an episode of Keeping Up 1314 01:01:43,730 --> 01:01:40,980 with the Kardashians yes it was yes it 1315 01:01:47,210 --> 01:01:43,740 was and this is and this is another 1316 01:01:49,460 --> 01:01:47,220 strange part about that because you've 1317 01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:49,470 been doing a paranormal television for a 1318 01:01:55,550 --> 01:01:52,650 long time and so I'll buy in that it's 1319 01:01:58,100 --> 01:01:55,560 not one show right it's not Ghost 1320 01:02:02,510 --> 01:01:58,110 Adventures and it's not just ancient 1321 01:02:04,910 --> 01:02:02,520 aliens now on multiple networks it's 24 1322 01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,920 hours a day and I would have never 1323 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:06,720 thought that this day would come but it 1324 01:02:11,390 --> 01:02:09,330 is certainly here I'm still surprised 1325 01:02:13,310 --> 01:02:11,400 that there's not a dedicated paranormal 1326 01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:13,320 television channel yeah it's if it's 1327 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:17,280 it's coming to your programming in a 1328 01:02:26,570 --> 01:02:20,010 couple of weeks it's right around the 1329 01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:26,580 corner the the the viewing of an actual 1330 01:02:31,330 --> 01:02:29,760 ghost for an individual like for say 1331 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:31,340 somebody like myself or even a 1332 01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:34,770 professional ghost hunter yer so it must 1333 01:02:41,210 --> 01:02:38,640 be rare and when we look at the you know 1334 01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:41,220 if somebody is seeing a real bona fide 1335 01:02:46,820 --> 01:02:43,530 ghost every single day we've got some 1336 01:02:48,860 --> 01:02:46,830 issues we need to work out but for you 1337 01:02:53,870 --> 01:02:48,870 when we look at the classic definition 1338 01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:53,880 of a ghost how many of you seen so this 1339 01:02:58,580 --> 01:02:56,160 is I've written about this and I speak 1340 01:03:00,970 --> 01:02:58,590 about this throughout my life 30 years 1341 01:03:03,980 --> 01:03:00,980 of actively investigating this stuff 1342 01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:03,990 I've seen three things that could have 1343 01:03:10,460 --> 01:03:08,400 been UFOs I've seen an exorcism which 1344 01:03:15,020 --> 01:03:10,470 seemed to be something larger than just 1345 01:03:17,420 --> 01:03:15,030 a physical experience and maybe ten 1346 01:03:21,530 --> 01:03:17,430 things that could have been ghosts in 30 1347 01:03:23,660 --> 01:03:21,540 years so it does at least for me I mean 1348 01:03:25,220 --> 01:03:23,670 it's not huge it doesn't happen all that 1349 01:03:27,740 --> 01:03:25,230 all that often 1350 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:27,750 even when it comes to things like doing 1351 01:03:32,540 --> 01:03:30,090 EVP sessions I mean I've done literally 1352 01:03:36,700 --> 01:03:32,550 tens of thousands of EVP sessions and 1353 01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:36,710 probably only have fifty or a hundred 1354 01:03:41,150 --> 01:03:38,850 recordings that I think are worth 1355 01:03:43,970 --> 01:03:41,160 anything then this is why I write up and 1356 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:43,980 talk about so much that a person's 1357 01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:47,130 unique individual experience is enough 1358 01:03:51,260 --> 01:03:49,110 you don't have to be abducted from 1359 01:03:52,850 --> 01:03:51,270 aliens every week you don't have to see 1360 01:03:55,070 --> 01:03:52,860 a ghost every week you don't have to 1361 01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:55,080 have pictures of thousands of orbs every 1362 01:03:59,630 --> 01:03:57,090 two days you don't need to see a UFO 1363 01:04:02,120 --> 01:03:59,640 every weekend over your house one 1364 01:04:03,380 --> 01:04:02,130 experience is good enough because in 1365 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:03,390 this community you know and your 1366 01:04:07,940 --> 01:04:05,250 listeners know as well someone might 1367 01:04:10,010 --> 01:04:07,950 have a valid experience and once that 1368 01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:10,020 experience is over and they want more 1369 01:04:15,170 --> 01:04:13,170 and it doesn't come that's when people 1370 01:04:16,850 --> 01:04:15,180 start to fabricate and then as soon as 1371 01:04:18,830 --> 01:04:16,860 they do fabricate or as soon as they 1372 01:04:21,020 --> 01:04:18,840 start to misidentify things because they 1373 01:04:23,570 --> 01:04:21,030 want more of the experience and it's not 1374 01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:23,580 happening everything that they've ever 1375 01:04:28,010 --> 01:04:26,400 experienced is called into question the 1376 01:04:29,810 --> 01:04:28,020 the podcast that I do which is called 1377 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:29,820 realm with a weird you plugged the 1378 01:04:34,420 --> 01:04:31,050 website at the beginning realm with a 1379 01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:34,430 weird calm those are the 13 weirdest 1380 01:04:39,380 --> 01:04:36,960 experiences that I've had and people 1381 01:04:40,940 --> 01:04:39,390 want me to do more episodes and I tell 1382 01:04:42,740 --> 01:04:40,950 people all the time I will do more 1383 01:04:45,530 --> 01:04:42,750 episodes when something else weird 1384 01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:45,540 happens to me I haven't done an episode 1385 01:04:50,570 --> 01:04:47,250 of realm of the weird in like 2 or 3 1386 01:04:53,780 --> 01:04:50,580 years maybe even four years because when 1387 01:04:55,940 --> 01:04:53,790 I deemed something weird enough to do an 1388 01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:55,950 episode about I'll do it but I'm not 1389 01:04:59,870 --> 01:04:57,570 going to make something up because those 1390 01:05:03,350 --> 01:04:59,880 initial experiences are enough 1391 01:05:05,810 --> 01:05:03,360 I've only I've only seen one one thing 1392 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:05,820 that I would call a ghost it's only 1393 01:05:10,220 --> 01:05:08,250 happened once had a couple of strange 1394 01:05:13,340 --> 01:05:10,230 little things you know where I've heard 1395 01:05:15,770 --> 01:05:13,350 things and a you know a door has opened 1396 01:05:20,060 --> 01:05:15,780 when it shouldn't have and things like 1397 01:05:22,250 --> 01:05:20,070 that but only once in my 56 years have I 1398 01:05:25,730 --> 01:05:22,260 seen one thing but it scared the crap 1399 01:05:27,710 --> 01:05:25,740 out of me I'll say that for sure because 1400 01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:27,720 I still don't have the answers for that 1401 01:05:35,660 --> 01:05:31,440 and out of those 13 episodes of realm of 1402 01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:35,670 the weird what's the one ghost story 1403 01:05:39,170 --> 01:05:37,200 there that you would point to somebody 1404 01:05:41,450 --> 01:05:39,180 says see this you need to check this out 1405 01:05:45,140 --> 01:05:41,460 because this is this is the one that 1406 01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:45,150 really stands out I went to a paranormal 1407 01:05:50,510 --> 01:05:49,170 convention over a decade ago and while I 1408 01:05:53,329 --> 01:05:50,520 was at that paranormal convention 1409 01:05:54,620 --> 01:05:53,339 someone hit my car and so my car needed 1410 01:05:56,750 --> 01:05:54,630 to be repaired it was going to take 1411 01:05:59,539 --> 01:05:56,760 about a week so I had to stay in this 1412 01:06:01,400 --> 01:05:59,549 hotel by myself the convention was over 1413 01:06:03,260 --> 01:06:01,410 it was only you know a 2-day convention 1414 01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:03,270 I had to be there by myself for five or 1415 01:06:07,579 --> 01:06:06,000 six days I'm in this huge hotel 200 1416 01:06:10,430 --> 01:06:07,589 rooms and the only person checked in 1417 01:06:12,410 --> 01:06:10,440 it's the middle of winter and I didn't 1418 01:06:16,700 --> 01:06:12,420 have a car so I had to walk to a diner 1419 01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:16,710 to have lunch and dinner and I went 1420 01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:19,440 there twice and when my car was repaired 1421 01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:21,450 I thought I would go back and have one 1422 01:06:26,809 --> 01:06:24,000 last meal before I drove home I was in 1423 01:06:28,849 --> 01:06:26,819 Illinois at the time and I drove around 1424 01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:28,859 for about three hours looking for the 1425 01:06:34,940 --> 01:06:32,160 diner and I couldn't find it and that 1426 01:06:37,490 --> 01:06:34,950 diner actually never existed now in the 1427 01:06:40,130 --> 01:06:37,500 past 10 years I've you know obviously 1428 01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:40,140 researched it and looked and used google 1429 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:42,210 maps and maps and asked people in the 1430 01:06:46,370 --> 01:06:44,250 area and asked people who have lived 1431 01:06:49,099 --> 01:06:46,380 there and I ate at a place that didn't 1432 01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:49,109 exist and that is truly probably the 1433 01:06:57,470 --> 01:06:54,480 weirdest thing that I loved that I loved 1434 01:07:00,069 --> 01:06:57,480 that you know not only do I know that it 1435 01:07:03,740 --> 01:07:00,079 happened I had something very similar 1436 01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:03,750 very very similar and I've I'm almost 1437 01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:05,160 uncomfortable I'll tell you the short 1438 01:07:11,089 --> 01:07:06,960 version of it this audiences heard the 1439 01:07:14,690 --> 01:07:11,099 story too many times but this is what 1440 01:07:18,770 --> 01:07:14,700 happened I was driving about a mile from 1441 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:18,780 my parents home in in Indianapolis and 1442 01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:21,210 I'm driving by myself down a road that 1443 01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:25,440 I've driven hundreds of times and and I 1444 01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:27,839 see off to my left a house for rent and 1445 01:07:33,470 --> 01:07:31,440 it had a pool in the front yard and it 1446 01:07:36,220 --> 01:07:33,480 was a little tiny white house and it had 1447 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:36,230 a for rent sign on it and I thought wow 1448 01:07:40,339 --> 01:07:37,890 that's cool 1449 01:07:42,380 --> 01:07:40,349 it almost like 18 19 years old there's 1450 01:07:44,780 --> 01:07:42,390 the summer party pad right there let's 1451 01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:44,790 rent this sucker and I turned my car 1452 01:07:48,569 --> 01:07:47,250 around went back parked walked up looked 1453 01:07:52,019 --> 01:07:48,579 in the front window 1454 01:07:55,769 --> 01:07:52,029 and and I got all excited and next to 1455 01:07:57,059 --> 01:07:55,779 the house was a chain-link fence and on 1456 01:08:00,269 --> 01:07:57,069 the other side of the chain-link fence 1457 01:08:03,449 --> 01:08:00,279 was a little family plot I'm gonna say 1458 01:08:05,729 --> 01:08:03,459 like five maybe eight gravestones were 1459 01:08:08,249 --> 01:08:05,739 there in the trees and a little clearing 1460 01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:08,259 and I thought to myself who cares 1461 01:08:15,089 --> 01:08:11,920 house is too cool right in-ground pool 1462 01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:15,099 this is happening I don't care I could I 1463 01:08:19,559 --> 01:08:16,960 can deal with the little graveyard next 1464 01:08:21,419 --> 01:08:19,569 door so I jump in my car go go back to 1465 01:08:23,249 --> 01:08:21,429 my apartment call my friends get 1466 01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:23,259 everybody together we got to go I gotta 1467 01:08:28,289 --> 01:08:25,690 show you this house it's for rent get 1468 01:08:31,559 --> 01:08:28,299 everybody in the car this is all within 1469 01:08:37,559 --> 01:08:31,569 our neighborhood right drive back it's 1470 01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:37,569 gone houses it there and and we drive up 1471 01:08:43,919 --> 01:08:40,000 and down the street I'm like it was it 1472 01:08:45,660 --> 01:08:43,929 was right here the house was right here 1473 01:08:46,859 --> 01:08:45,670 now I'll tell you something that's 1474 01:08:48,629 --> 01:08:46,869 really weird that you're bringing that 1475 01:08:50,910 --> 01:08:48,639 up because I just had this conversation 1476 01:08:53,490 --> 01:08:50,920 earlier this week on Twitter with 1477 01:08:55,919 --> 01:08:53,500 someone someone asked me about obviously 1478 01:08:58,289 --> 01:08:55,929 we all your listeners in you and I we 1479 01:09:00,990 --> 01:08:58,299 all talk about the Mandela effect right 1480 01:09:04,769 --> 01:09:01,000 right and so I had this conversation 1481 01:09:08,339 --> 01:09:04,779 earlier which was I have a distinct 1482 01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:08,349 memory and there's actually a blog post 1483 01:09:14,490 --> 01:09:11,440 about it on we're lectures calm from 1484 01:09:17,069 --> 01:09:14,500 about eight years ago there used to be I 1485 01:09:18,450 --> 01:09:17,079 remember this from 20 years ago 1486 01:09:20,849 --> 01:09:18,460 there actually used to be something 1487 01:09:23,519 --> 01:09:20,859 called transient environment phenomena 1488 01:09:24,959 --> 01:09:23,529 which was houses and buildings vanishing 1489 01:09:27,329 --> 01:09:24,969 disappearing appearing and disappearing 1490 01:09:29,879 --> 01:09:27,339 and the paranormal community talked 1491 01:09:31,950 --> 01:09:29,889 about it all the time and as soon as the 1492 01:09:35,069 --> 01:09:31,960 Mandela effect hit public consciousness 1493 01:09:36,839 --> 01:09:35,079 I think my article and weird lectures is 1494 01:09:38,700 --> 01:09:36,849 the only mention of transient 1495 01:09:40,740 --> 01:09:38,710 environment phenomena on the Internet 1496 01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:40,750 all of a sudden no one remembers it but 1497 01:09:44,729 --> 01:09:43,359 me and but but paranormalists used to 1498 01:09:46,769 --> 01:09:44,739 talk about it all the time the fact that 1499 01:09:48,990 --> 01:09:46,779 you could grow up in a city you could 1500 01:09:50,339 --> 01:09:49,000 drive down a road over and over and over 1501 01:09:51,780 --> 01:09:50,349 again and then sometimes you would drive 1502 01:09:53,970 --> 01:09:51,790 down it and see a building that you 1503 01:09:55,859 --> 01:09:53,980 never saw before or you'd see a barn 1504 01:09:58,649 --> 01:09:55,869 disappear out of a field that you had 1505 01:10:00,720 --> 01:09:58,659 driven past for 30 years and now that 1506 01:10:01,810 --> 01:10:00,730 phenomena isn't even remembered by 1507 01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:01,820 people 1508 01:10:11,859 --> 01:10:05,449 white boy when when we discussed things 1509 01:10:15,100 --> 01:10:11,869 like this is it because we are on the 1510 01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:15,110 verge of science proving these things I 1511 01:10:21,850 --> 01:10:18,409 mean the Mandela effect a hundred 1512 01:10:23,939 --> 01:10:21,860 million people can't be crazy right we 1513 01:10:26,919 --> 01:10:23,949 have to look at it in those terms 1514 01:10:30,189 --> 01:10:26,929 there's something else that is going on 1515 01:10:33,069 --> 01:10:30,199 here and and I keep going back to things 1516 01:10:36,750 --> 01:10:33,079 like quantum mechanics quantum computing 1517 01:10:39,839 --> 01:10:36,760 qubits and the way that entanglement 1518 01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:39,849 actually works and the possibility of 1519 01:10:47,050 --> 01:10:42,800 parallel worlds and and the existence of 1520 01:10:50,979 --> 01:10:47,060 this would this help explain ghosts or 1521 01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:50,989 Bigfoot or cryptozoology or disappearing 1522 01:10:55,390 --> 01:10:54,050 houses I mean I think so again one of 1523 01:10:58,180 --> 01:10:55,400 the things that I've tried to talk about 1524 01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:58,190 for thirty years is that when you have 1525 01:11:02,140 --> 01:11:00,560 the cryptozoological community the UFO 1526 01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:02,150 community of the ghost community of the 1527 01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:04,130 occult community they don't like to 1528 01:11:08,890 --> 01:11:05,840 interact with each other and I've always 1529 01:11:11,950 --> 01:11:08,900 found that very frustrating because it's 1530 01:11:14,979 --> 01:11:11,960 like being very interested in a single 1531 01:11:17,020 --> 01:11:14,989 tentacle of an octopus like all of them 1532 01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:17,030 seem to be connected by something but no 1533 01:11:22,569 --> 01:11:18,560 one is investigating the thing that 1534 01:11:25,810 --> 01:11:22,579 they're all connected to and so I really 1535 01:11:27,490 --> 01:11:25,820 do think that when you study Bigfoot and 1536 01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:27,500 you study UFOs there should be a 1537 01:11:33,459 --> 01:11:29,690 crossover area I mean I know for a fact 1538 01:11:36,339 --> 01:11:33,469 you know MUFON at one of them kind of 1539 01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:36,349 conference calls they they had to sit 1540 01:11:40,359 --> 01:11:38,570 down and tell members like we're not 1541 01:11:41,979 --> 01:11:40,369 going to take Bigfoot stories anymore we 1542 01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:41,989 want to be taken seriously so we're not 1543 01:11:44,890 --> 01:11:43,250 going to talk about Bigfoot stories 1544 01:11:47,109 --> 01:11:44,900 anymore and someone on the call said 1545 01:11:49,209 --> 01:11:47,119 well what happens if someone sees a UFO 1546 01:11:50,890 --> 01:11:49,219 and Bigfoot gets out of it they said 1547 01:11:52,810 --> 01:11:50,900 we'll just report the UFO don't report 1548 01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:52,820 the Bigfoot and that does a disservice 1549 01:11:57,339 --> 01:11:55,070 to the entire community because we don't 1550 01:11:59,890 --> 01:11:57,349 see the overlap we don't see how wide 1551 01:12:01,510 --> 01:11:59,900 and weird the world might possibly be or 1552 01:12:05,100 --> 01:12:01,520 reality our seemingly shared reality 1553 01:12:09,010 --> 01:12:05,110 might absolutely be and to your point of 1554 01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:09,020 can a millions of people be crazy there 1555 01:12:13,810 --> 01:12:10,400 was a you mentioned Richard Dawkins 1556 01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:13,820 earlier in the conversation Richard 1557 01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:15,410 Dawkins was having a debate 1558 01:12:19,060 --> 01:12:17,450 with Rupert Sheldrake for your listeners 1559 01:12:21,010 --> 01:12:19,070 I'm sure they know Rupert Sheldrake he 1560 01:12:23,170 --> 01:12:21,020 studies morphogenetic fields he believes 1561 01:12:24,460 --> 01:12:23,180 in telepathy dogs that know when their 1562 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:24,470 owners are coming home is pretty much 1563 01:12:28,150 --> 01:12:26,090 how he's mostly recognized but he 1564 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:28,160 Dawkins was having a conversation with 1565 01:12:33,850 --> 01:12:30,890 Sheldrake on stage and Dawkins through 1566 01:12:35,620 --> 01:12:33,860 that skeptic kind of trope at Sheldrake 1567 01:12:38,500 --> 01:12:35,630 where Sheldrake was talking about 1568 01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:38,510 paranormal experiences and Dawkins turns 1569 01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:41,090 around and says to him you're making an 1570 01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:44,000 an outrageous an outrageous claim I 1571 01:12:48,580 --> 01:12:46,880 demand you know extreme proof which is 1572 01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:48,590 something that skeptics will say all of 1573 01:12:52,900 --> 01:12:50,480 the time you know you're outrageous 1574 01:12:55,180 --> 01:12:52,910 claims demand outrageous proof something 1575 01:12:59,500 --> 01:12:55,190 to that akin and Sheldrake turns around 1576 01:13:01,540 --> 01:12:59,510 and looks at Dawkins almost floored by 1577 01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:01,550 that idea and Sheldrake says to him 1578 01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:05,090 you're telling this crowd that millions 1579 01:13:11,170 --> 01:13:08,000 of people for thousands of years have 1580 01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:11,180 been wrong about their own personal 1581 01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:13,970 experience like that's an outrageous 1582 01:13:19,630 --> 01:13:16,610 claim do you have any outrageous proof 1583 01:13:23,860 --> 01:13:19,640 to prove that your claim is true I've 1584 01:13:28,300 --> 01:13:23,870 seen that that debate that conversation 1585 01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:28,310 dozens of times dozens i watch it in 1586 01:13:33,940 --> 01:13:30,800 fascination there's see this is this is 1587 01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:33,950 the way I'd look at this John and I 1588 01:13:42,250 --> 01:13:38,210 don't want to come off as cocky or over 1589 01:13:45,670 --> 01:13:42,260 self-confident or ego out I I don't but 1590 01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:45,680 I would I would eat Richard Dawkins 1591 01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:50,930 lunch okay and and and and there's a lot 1592 01:14:02,920 --> 01:13:59,890 his smugness and and his for somebody 1593 01:14:04,620 --> 01:14:02,930 that's an atheist he has a definite 1594 01:14:09,250 --> 01:14:04,630 godlike 1595 01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:09,260 persona and and it's not that part that 1596 01:14:15,820 --> 01:14:12,770 angers me is that if you are a true 1597 01:14:19,150 --> 01:14:15,830 scientist and and you're an educated guy 1598 01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:19,160 that is is is writing and doing this 1599 01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:21,650 kind of work then you have to have an 1600 01:14:26,890 --> 01:14:23,930 open mind and question everything you 1601 01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:26,900 can't go the opposite road you cannot 1602 01:14:30,189 --> 01:14:28,880 close it down and say that I'm 1603 01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:30,199 right and everybody else is wrong 1604 01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:32,210 because that's not what science is based 1605 01:14:37,390 --> 01:14:34,610 on science is based on a series of 1606 01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:37,400 Corrections and you need to be out there 1607 01:14:42,610 --> 01:14:39,650 correcting things and improving and 1608 01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:42,620 moving forward and that's Dawkins fault 1609 01:14:48,100 --> 01:14:45,920 if he has one absolutely science is not 1610 01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:48,110 supposed to be dogmatic as a matter of 1611 01:14:53,110 --> 01:14:51,290 fact if you talk to science scientists 1612 01:14:55,810 --> 01:14:53,120 and materialists and atheists one of the 1613 01:14:58,240 --> 01:14:55,820 things they will tell you is well we we 1614 01:15:00,399 --> 01:14:58,250 had to move away from the priest caste 1615 01:15:01,810 --> 01:15:00,409 who were the only people who could read 1616 01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:01,820 and so they were the only people who 1617 01:15:04,930 --> 01:15:03,290 knew what the Bible said and they told 1618 01:15:05,500 --> 01:15:04,940 people that's how they kept people under 1619 01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:05,510 control 1620 01:15:08,979 --> 01:15:07,250 only a certain amount of people could 1621 01:15:10,810 --> 01:15:08,989 read the books and so only a certain 1622 01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:10,820 amount of people had the truth and so 1623 01:15:15,100 --> 01:15:13,130 science has liberated us and yet we've 1624 01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:15,110 come to a point where there are only 1625 01:15:19,660 --> 01:15:17,600 1500 theoretical physicists in the 1626 01:15:22,270 --> 01:15:19,670 entire world who understand the math in 1627 01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:22,280 the books and those people are the only 1628 01:15:25,959 --> 01:15:24,080 ones who can know how to read the books 1629 01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:25,969 and they're the only ones that tell us 1630 01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:27,440 what is real and what isn't real 1631 01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:29,840 science has created its own priest caste 1632 01:15:34,180 --> 01:15:32,719 and science to a very large degree has 1633 01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:34,190 become the dogma that it was always 1634 01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:37,520 fighting and and I spoke about this last 1635 01:15:43,450 --> 01:15:41,120 week on the show and I love bringing 1636 01:15:48,340 --> 01:15:43,460 physicists on and we always have great 1637 01:15:51,700 --> 01:15:48,350 conversations but one thing is true they 1638 01:15:54,189 --> 01:15:51,710 are the ones that understand the math I 1639 01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:54,199 cannot look at that stuff and figure it 1640 01:16:03,220 --> 01:15:58,330 out right and so we are dependent on 1641 01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:03,230 their orating skills to explain to us 1642 01:16:08,939 --> 01:16:07,040 what the math means and it's nothing 1643 01:16:12,689 --> 01:16:08,949 more than that and we have to believe 1644 01:16:17,379 --> 01:16:12,699 what they are saying and Brian Greene 1645 01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:17,389 who I really enjoy Brian Greene said in 1646 01:16:21,939 --> 01:16:19,250 this one presentation an audience 1647 01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:21,949 members stood up question-and-answer 1648 01:16:25,810 --> 01:16:23,449 thing and said you know I've been 1649 01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:25,820 studying physics and and I've been 1650 01:16:29,140 --> 01:16:27,770 reading your books and Brian Greene cuts 1651 01:16:32,050 --> 01:16:29,150 them off and says you're not studying 1652 01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:32,060 physics there's nothing in my books that 1653 01:16:38,940 --> 01:16:34,730 can teach you anything my books are just 1654 01:16:43,330 --> 01:16:38,950 me explaining what I want you to know 1655 01:16:45,250 --> 01:16:43,340 yeah like that is that was it was a 1656 01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:45,260 terrifying statement the audience 1657 01:16:51,100 --> 01:16:48,080 laughed I was taken aback I thought 1658 01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:51,110 that's exactly right I don't I don't 1659 01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:53,090 understand the numbers and I never will 1660 01:16:58,600 --> 01:16:56,570 they are giving us the theatrics of what 1661 01:17:01,120 --> 01:16:58,610 the numbers are and and and we don't 1662 01:17:05,470 --> 01:17:01,130 have a choice but to take it and you 1663 01:17:08,260 --> 01:17:05,480 know to me the thing that to come to a 1664 01:17:10,930 --> 01:17:08,270 very kind of just my personal views on 1665 01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:10,940 stuff of course I'm interested in 1666 01:17:13,930 --> 01:17:12,410 science and I'm interested in the 1667 01:17:15,580 --> 01:17:13,940 physics of the universe and how the 1668 01:17:19,330 --> 01:17:15,590 universe may or may not work it's all 1669 01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:19,340 very interesting to me and I would love 1670 01:17:24,250 --> 01:17:22,640 to sit down and I have with scientists 1671 01:17:26,140 --> 01:17:24,260 whether they're neurobiologists or 1672 01:17:28,450 --> 01:17:26,150 physicists or theoretical physicists and 1673 01:17:30,460 --> 01:17:28,460 hash out UFOs and ghosts and Bigfoot 1674 01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:30,470 it's all very interesting to me but at 1675 01:17:36,729 --> 01:17:34,730 the end of the day if there is no such 1676 01:17:38,500 --> 01:17:36,739 thing of as ghosts if there's no such 1677 01:17:41,260 --> 01:17:38,510 thing as UFOs if there's no such 1678 01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:41,270 honestly - your whole dissing ership if 1679 01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:45,290 none of it is real if all it is if all 1680 01:17:52,090 --> 01:17:48,800 those experiences are are a means and a 1681 01:17:54,490 --> 01:17:52,100 mechanism for us to talk to and interact 1682 01:17:57,610 --> 01:17:54,500 with each other and speak to each other 1683 01:18:00,610 --> 01:17:57,620 deeply and honestly about how we feel 1684 01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:00,620 about our place in the universe it's far 1685 01:18:06,940 --> 01:18:02,890 more important to me than science and 1686 01:18:09,790 --> 01:18:06,950 the fact that we are in a very short 1687 01:18:13,420 --> 01:18:09,800 time by the way we've had like maybe 300 1688 01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:13,430 years of real actual science and a 1689 01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:15,770 hundred years of real technology with 1690 01:18:21,850 --> 01:18:18,560 electricity and everything else if we 1691 01:18:25,690 --> 01:18:21,860 are able to sit and look out at the 1692 01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:25,700 universe and ask these questions we are 1693 01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:29,210 in a great place absolutely I think 1694 01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:31,760 that's the biggest part of all I mean is 1695 01:18:37,210 --> 01:18:34,610 the the fact that this I don't know how 1696 01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:37,220 many pounds of grey sludge that we have 1697 01:18:43,180 --> 01:18:40,880 in our heads but we are able to use that 1698 01:18:45,820 --> 01:18:43,190 and engage in this conversation that we 1699 01:18:48,100 --> 01:18:45,830 are having right now that is the biggest 1700 01:18:50,530 --> 01:18:48,110 mystery of all I mean how is that 1701 01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:50,540 possible for real and there's no real 1702 01:18:53,170 --> 01:18:51,530 good evidence that 1703 01:18:56,260 --> 01:18:53,180 it's even happening I could just be 1704 01:18:58,690 --> 01:18:56,270 sitting alone by myself stop right now 1705 01:19:01,210 --> 01:18:58,700 imagining all this let's take a break 1706 01:19:03,130 --> 01:19:01,220 right here our guest tonight John E el 1707 01:19:04,900 --> 01:19:03,140 Teddy this is fade to black I'm your 1708 01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:04,910 host Jimmy Church we're gonna pick up 1709 01:19:08,770 --> 01:19:06,890 right where we are living off when we 1710 01:19:11,530 --> 01:19:08,780 come back after this short break and the 1711 01:19:17,260 --> 01:19:11,540 game changer networking K G RA the 1712 01:19:28,050 --> 01:19:24,470 [Music] 1713 01:19:29,580 --> 01:19:28,060 welcome back fade to black I guess 1714 01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:29,590 tonight Jonny L Tenny what a great 1715 01:19:35,220 --> 01:19:31,600 conversation and I want to continue 1716 01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:35,230 actually where we left off right before 1717 01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:37,810 the break which is when we're talking 1718 01:19:44,010 --> 01:19:41,890 about physics consciousness and what 1719 01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:44,020 makes us us and trying to figure that 1720 01:19:51,780 --> 01:19:48,610 part out is it connected to directly to 1721 01:19:54,900 --> 01:19:51,790 what a ghost is or maybe in these 1722 01:19:58,920 --> 01:19:54,910 spirits well how do you explain the 1723 01:20:00,600 --> 01:19:58,930 phenomena I mean I don't try to explain 1724 01:20:03,959 --> 01:20:00,610 I mean I just have a lot of ideas right 1725 01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:03,969 and I think I've told people my friends 1726 01:20:07,770 --> 01:20:05,170 know this and people who have seen me 1727 01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:07,780 lecture know this if anything persists 1728 01:20:15,150 --> 01:20:11,770 of me after my biology goes away I'm 1729 01:20:16,860 --> 01:20:15,160 probably not going to stick around here 1730 01:20:19,740 --> 01:20:16,870 and whisper into people's digital 1731 01:20:22,530 --> 01:20:19,750 recorders if I'm no longer locked into 1732 01:20:24,870 --> 01:20:22,540 the biology of moving forward through 1733 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:24,880 this seeming arrow of time in these 1734 01:20:31,050 --> 01:20:27,610 three dimensions if I'm set loose upon 1735 01:20:33,150 --> 01:20:31,060 reality in a non corporeal form 1736 01:20:34,979 --> 01:20:33,160 I'm gonna be sitting in the heart of the 1737 01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:34,989 Sun I'm gonna be light-years away in 1738 01:20:41,820 --> 01:20:37,810 different galaxies and and and so when 1739 01:20:43,950 --> 01:20:41,830 it comes to seeing ghosts that seem to 1740 01:20:46,890 --> 01:20:43,960 take on human form or familiar form to 1741 01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:46,900 us I have to wonder what in the myriad 1742 01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:49,330 of existence and possibilities are those 1743 01:20:55,260 --> 01:20:51,610 things I think that what you know the 1744 01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:55,270 most commonly seen ghosts if you want to 1745 01:20:58,920 --> 01:20:56,770 call them for lack of a better word the 1746 01:21:00,660 --> 01:20:58,930 most commonly seen ghosts are familiar 1747 01:21:02,940 --> 01:21:00,670 spirits there are people loved ones who 1748 01:21:04,620 --> 01:21:02,950 have passed away grandma grandpa the 1749 01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:04,630 grandmas wearing her favorite white 1750 01:21:10,370 --> 01:21:06,130 dress Gramp was wearing his fishing 1751 01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:10,380 boots I think that if noncorporeal 1752 01:21:18,510 --> 01:21:13,510 energetic only entities exist and they 1753 01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:18,520 retain some type of idea of who they are 1754 01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:20,650 if they do continue to persist in their 1755 01:21:25,260 --> 01:21:22,239 consciousness and their in their 1756 01:21:28,350 --> 01:21:25,270 identity I think that they would not 1757 01:21:30,780 --> 01:21:28,360 appear outside to us vision happens 1758 01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:30,790 because you know there's light and shade 1759 01:21:34,020 --> 01:21:32,800 and shadow bouncing off of objects and 1760 01:21:35,790 --> 01:21:34,030 going into our eyes where it's 1761 01:21:37,140 --> 01:21:35,800 reconstructed by our brain and that 1762 01:21:37,470 --> 01:21:37,150 takes a lot of energy to make something 1763 01:21:39,780 --> 01:21:37,480 that 1764 01:21:42,300 --> 01:21:39,790 bounce light in shape and shadow if 1765 01:21:44,010 --> 01:21:42,310 someone who loved us wanted to contact 1766 01:21:45,810 --> 01:21:44,020 us I think they'd do something far more 1767 01:21:49,260 --> 01:21:45,820 intimate and something more simple for 1768 01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:49,270 them what which is fire off a single 1769 01:21:57,210 --> 01:21:52,960 visual synapse in our brain one that 1770 01:21:58,979 --> 01:21:57,220 they would contact and communicate 1771 01:22:00,840 --> 01:21:58,989 accurately with that person they'd look 1772 01:22:04,170 --> 01:22:00,850 through our memories grandpa would find 1773 01:22:06,630 --> 01:22:04,180 that image of himself that we want to 1774 01:22:09,300 --> 01:22:06,640 remember and and flip that switch and 1775 01:22:11,729 --> 01:22:09,310 then grandpa is there in front of us 1776 01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:11,739 with his fishing boots on and grandmas 1777 01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:14,530 in her favorite dress I think in those 1778 01:22:20,130 --> 01:22:17,530 instances that's maybe how spirits or 1779 01:22:22,500 --> 01:22:20,140 entities are communicating with us and 1780 01:22:25,260 --> 01:22:22,510 what what would explain the classic 1781 01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:25,270 ghost so I mean that's the other thing 1782 01:22:30,780 --> 01:22:29,050 too is I feel like we probably human 1783 01:22:33,210 --> 01:22:30,790 beings probably have archetypes within 1784 01:22:35,370 --> 01:22:33,220 our brains we probably have a silhouette 1785 01:22:37,950 --> 01:22:35,380 of a man or a human being in there 1786 01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:37,960 either from a movie or looking at our 1787 01:22:44,130 --> 01:22:40,330 own shadow and so when we don't have 1788 01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:44,140 when a spirit is trying to show itself 1789 01:22:48,300 --> 01:22:46,330 to us but it doesn't have an accurate 1790 01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:48,310 descriptor and act an accurate visual 1791 01:22:52,290 --> 01:22:50,410 image of itself it goes kind of that 1792 01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:52,300 default setting and then we see a woman 1793 01:22:57,780 --> 01:22:54,970 in white or we see a shadow person or we 1794 01:22:59,670 --> 01:22:57,790 see a little child wearing a white 1795 01:23:01,260 --> 01:22:59,680 dressing gown I mean these are all 1796 01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:01,270 images that are already stored in our 1797 01:23:06,030 --> 01:23:03,550 heads and so they just trigger one that 1798 01:23:08,220 --> 01:23:06,040 looks somewhat like them and then we 1799 01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:08,230 have the electronic side of the 1800 01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:13,210 phenomenon you know you mentioned EVPs 1801 01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:17,280 you know FLIR infrared imaging capturing 1802 01:23:25,050 --> 01:23:22,090 these humanoid figures what would that 1803 01:23:27,380 --> 01:23:25,060 be if our eyes aren't involved with this 1804 01:23:29,550 --> 01:23:27,390 and now it's an electronic phenomena 1805 01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:29,560 well that's the other thing too right 1806 01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:31,810 like I don't think I don't discount that 1807 01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:34,480 there are beings or entities that can 1808 01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:36,880 manifest them in outer reality that we 1809 01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:40,480 can see my ideas about the nature of the 1810 01:23:44,460 --> 01:23:42,400 seemingly shared reality is that all 1811 01:23:46,290 --> 01:23:44,470 these possibilities are open and so 1812 01:23:48,780 --> 01:23:46,300 there are of course beings that can 1813 01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:48,790 appear and be photographed and be seen 1814 01:23:52,490 --> 01:23:50,250 outside of 1815 01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:52,500 visual recollection centers in our brain 1816 01:23:58,130 --> 01:23:55,770 and that's something to be investigated 1817 01:23:59,630 --> 01:23:58,140 when you talk about EVPs and I think the 1818 01:24:02,600 --> 01:23:59,640 community does this as a whole we throw 1819 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:02,610 kind of an umbrella terms on stuff if 1820 01:24:06,230 --> 01:24:04,890 you record if you do an EVP session and 1821 01:24:09,170 --> 01:24:06,240 you have a digital recorder and you get 1822 01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:09,180 a voice that's a certain phenomenon if 1823 01:24:13,460 --> 01:24:11,250 you have an analog recorder and get a 1824 01:24:16,250 --> 01:24:13,470 voice that's different from your digital 1825 01:24:18,410 --> 01:24:16,260 recording the digital recorder and 1826 01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:18,420 analog recorder record sounds in 1827 01:24:21,650 --> 01:24:19,890 completely different ways which means 1828 01:24:23,450 --> 01:24:21,660 you've recorded two different phenomena 1829 01:24:25,490 --> 01:24:23,460 just according to the equipment that 1830 01:24:28,010 --> 01:24:25,500 you're using but we say it's all one 1831 01:24:33,070 --> 01:24:28,020 thing and that I think does the entire 1832 01:24:37,820 --> 01:24:33,080 community a disservice how would a 1833 01:24:39,020 --> 01:24:37,830 spirit do the conversion into the 1834 01:24:41,780 --> 01:24:39,030 digital realm 1835 01:24:43,490 --> 01:24:41,790 in other words everything's quiet 1836 01:24:48,500 --> 01:24:43,500 everything is cool but you get the 1837 01:24:50,210 --> 01:24:48,510 recording of you know get out well how 1838 01:24:52,370 --> 01:24:50,220 does the spirit make any voice at all I 1839 01:24:54,530 --> 01:24:52,380 mean by the voice because I have lungs 1840 01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:54,540 and a larynx and a throat my lips and 1841 01:24:58,040 --> 01:24:56,130 tongue and I can shape the words and 1842 01:25:01,100 --> 01:24:58,050 push air and make waves that are picked 1843 01:25:02,660 --> 01:25:01,110 up by ears but ghosts don't have as far 1844 01:25:05,210 --> 01:25:02,670 as we know lungs they don't have a 1845 01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:05,220 physical mechanism for moving wind to 1846 01:25:09,890 --> 01:25:07,290 make waves that we would hear and so the 1847 01:25:12,050 --> 01:25:09,900 phenomena of recording it at all is 1848 01:25:13,610 --> 01:25:12,060 super interesting and then if you hear 1849 01:25:15,170 --> 01:25:13,620 it but don't record it that's a 1850 01:25:16,220 --> 01:25:15,180 different phenomena if you record it but 1851 01:25:18,830 --> 01:25:16,230 don't hear it that's a different 1852 01:25:21,620 --> 01:25:18,840 phenomena a digital recorder has a 1853 01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:21,630 chipset inside of it that reconstructs 1854 01:25:26,660 --> 01:25:23,730 sound based on air pressure changes 1855 01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:26,670 where an analog tape records the actual 1856 01:25:30,980 --> 01:25:28,290 movement of waves through the air 1857 01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:30,990 through an electromagnet on a 1858 01:25:37,130 --> 01:25:34,050 ferromagnetic tape so you know when we 1859 01:25:38,690 --> 01:25:37,140 say EVP what are we what are we talking 1860 01:25:44,090 --> 01:25:38,700 about because there's a multitude of 1861 01:25:47,210 --> 01:25:44,100 even EVPs yeah I'm fascinated with it 1862 01:25:49,790 --> 01:25:47,220 and and the only way I can wrap my mind 1863 01:25:53,330 --> 01:25:49,800 around it this is my musician producer 1864 01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:53,340 engineer side of it is that it there 1865 01:26:00,930 --> 01:25:57,210 must be and it must take a lot of effort 1866 01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:00,940 if you're a spirit but 1867 01:26:08,140 --> 01:26:05,110 electrically electromagnetic 1868 01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:08,150 interference going through the digital 1869 01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:10,010 equipment I'm not talking about analog 1870 01:26:13,510 --> 01:26:11,690 and you're absolutely right and making 1871 01:26:17,860 --> 01:26:13,520 the definition between the two and 1872 01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:17,870 defining them but it must be an electric 1873 01:26:24,100 --> 01:26:21,440 phenomenon that we can't see that is 1874 01:26:27,100 --> 01:26:24,110 occurring and it's an accident they 1875 01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:27,110 don't know right they don't know it's 1876 01:26:32,500 --> 01:26:29,930 digital equipment okay they're just 1877 01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:32,510 trying to make the effort of speaking 1878 01:26:37,330 --> 01:26:34,730 and they don't know how to do it and 1879 01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:37,340 this is this is done in the electric 1880 01:26:43,030 --> 01:26:40,130 universe and the phenomena happens to be 1881 01:26:45,190 --> 01:26:43,040 going and getting captured on digital 1882 01:26:46,570 --> 01:26:45,200 recorders right and we're not even 1883 01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:46,580 taking into account the fact that we 1884 01:26:51,250 --> 01:26:49,610 might be in play in their responses they 1885 01:26:53,370 --> 01:26:51,260 may be using the electricity or the 1886 01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:53,380 electromagnet electromagnetism 1887 01:26:58,660 --> 01:26:55,610 electromagnetic fields and biochemistry 1888 01:27:00,610 --> 01:26:58,670 of us to create those sounds they might 1889 01:27:03,370 --> 01:27:00,620 be using the energy coming off of our 1890 01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:03,380 bodies as a way to I mean has anyone 1891 01:27:07,420 --> 01:27:05,930 done an in-depth study of do EVP 1892 01:27:09,490 --> 01:27:07,430 recordings on digital recorders work 1893 01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:09,500 better if you're holding it in your hand 1894 01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:10,610 that's something someone should have 1895 01:27:15,460 --> 01:27:13,610 done 20 years ago if it's connected if 1896 01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:15,470 someone's holding the recorder whether 1897 01:27:19,690 --> 01:27:17,810 if it's set on a table if it's set on a 1898 01:27:21,100 --> 01:27:19,700 table and someone is touching the table 1899 01:27:23,380 --> 01:27:21,110 do you have a better chance of getting 1900 01:27:26,020 --> 01:27:23,390 it because we might be the antenna that 1901 01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:26,030 they're using and there might be another 1902 01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:27,970 aspect to this I want to pick your brain 1903 01:27:36,370 --> 01:27:32,210 that this it's it's not a phenomena at 1904 01:27:39,370 --> 01:27:36,380 all it is it's it's just merely a 1905 01:27:42,340 --> 01:27:39,380 parallel world that's it and they are 1906 01:27:44,380 --> 01:27:42,350 existing in it and we can't see them any 1907 01:27:47,770 --> 01:27:44,390 more than they can see us or interact 1908 01:27:50,230 --> 01:27:47,780 with us and we may be bleeding in to 1909 01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:50,240 their world and have a cross of 1910 01:27:57,220 --> 01:27:53,210 frequencies and they may be experiencing 1911 01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:57,230 the same thing with us appearing once in 1912 01:28:02,350 --> 01:28:00,320 a while and freaking them out yeah I had 1913 01:28:04,180 --> 01:28:02,360 a client like I tell this story at my 1914 01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:04,190 lectures I had a client many years ago 1915 01:28:09,070 --> 01:28:06,800 whose grandmother had passed away and so 1916 01:28:11,650 --> 01:28:09,080 she went to her grandmother's house to 1917 01:28:13,780 --> 01:28:11,660 do a final check before it was sold and 1918 01:28:14,229 --> 01:28:13,790 she walked in the front she unlocked the 1919 01:28:16,209 --> 01:28:14,239 front door 1920 01:28:19,239 --> 01:28:16,219 walked in through kind of an arched Oh a 1921 01:28:21,129 --> 01:28:19,249 into a living room and she came around 1922 01:28:23,890 --> 01:28:21,139 the corner she saw two little girls an 1923 01:28:26,290 --> 01:28:23,900 old woman she screamed and they vanished 1924 01:28:28,180 --> 01:28:26,300 so she immediately called her aunt and 1925 01:28:29,859 --> 01:28:28,190 she said grandma's house is haunted and 1926 01:28:31,029 --> 01:28:29,869 her aunt said you know grandma's house 1927 01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:31,039 isn't haunted you're crazy 1928 01:28:34,299 --> 01:28:32,719 she called her mom and she said 1929 01:28:36,009 --> 01:28:34,309 grandma's house is haunted her mom said 1930 01:28:38,410 --> 01:28:36,019 grandma's house is huh is not haunted 1931 01:28:40,359 --> 01:28:38,420 you're crazy a couple days went by and 1932 01:28:41,799 --> 01:28:40,369 her aunt called her back and said I 1933 01:28:43,509 --> 01:28:41,809 still don't think grandma's house is 1934 01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:43,519 haunted but I was thinking about what 1935 01:28:48,370 --> 01:28:46,639 you said and years ago when your mom and 1936 01:28:50,649 --> 01:28:48,380 I were little girls we were with Grandma 1937 01:28:52,359 --> 01:28:50,659 in the living room and this woman walked 1938 01:28:56,109 --> 01:28:52,369 into the living room and screamed at us 1939 01:28:59,739 --> 01:28:56,119 and then disappeared and all of a sudden 1940 01:29:03,450 --> 01:28:59,749 my client in the present was the ghost 1941 01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:03,460 in the past and her mom and sister and 1942 01:29:08,500 --> 01:29:06,110 grandmother in the past were the ghosts 1943 01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:08,510 in the present so what is actually 1944 01:29:13,540 --> 01:29:13,010 happening and what about I want to ask 1945 01:29:17,850 --> 01:29:13,550 you this 1946 01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:17,860 orbs is something that like Bigfoot I 1947 01:29:22,859 --> 01:29:21,170 completely dismissed right I've seen all 1948 01:29:27,339 --> 01:29:22,869 the pictures I've heard all the stories 1949 01:29:31,149 --> 01:29:27,349 and and I just it never captured my 1950 01:29:35,470 --> 01:29:31,159 interest until I saw one I've only seen 1951 01:29:37,839 --> 01:29:35,480 one and I'm sitting out in this field 1952 01:29:39,729 --> 01:29:37,849 and I see this orb about a quarter of a 1953 01:29:43,779 --> 01:29:39,739 mile away come out from behind these 1954 01:29:46,689 --> 01:29:43,789 trees and and go from being very small 1955 01:29:49,149 --> 01:29:46,699 to probably 3040 feet around and it was 1956 01:29:51,009 --> 01:29:49,159 gray and it was flat - it's like two 1957 01:29:52,810 --> 01:29:51,019 dimensional I'm watching I rub my eyes 1958 01:29:55,950 --> 01:29:52,820 thinking I've got something in my eye 1959 01:29:59,919 --> 01:29:55,960 when somebody's standing behind me says 1960 01:30:03,430 --> 01:29:59,929 John has anybody watching that gray or 1961 01:30:06,910 --> 01:30:03,440 about there and I turned around and said 1962 01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:06,920 you mean this bleep is real and I turn 1963 01:30:10,149 --> 01:30:08,210 around and then I could hear everybody 1964 01:30:13,629 --> 01:30:10,159 else around me talking about this or 1965 01:30:17,620 --> 01:30:13,639 about their it changed it was a paradigm 1966 01:30:19,870 --> 01:30:17,630 shift right for real in that I the the 1967 01:30:23,500 --> 01:30:19,880 majority of orbs that I see in pictures 1968 01:30:27,339 --> 01:30:23,510 and photos just it's whatever but what I 1969 01:30:27,940 --> 01:30:27,349 saw that evening was certainly 100% 1970 01:30:31,420 --> 01:30:27,950 physical 1971 01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:31,430 and real and this is another area where 1972 01:30:37,330 --> 01:30:33,890 I need some explanation as to what I saw 1973 01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:37,340 I still don't know but I mean that's the 1974 01:30:42,220 --> 01:30:40,490 difficulty right so because of the way 1975 01:30:46,330 --> 01:30:42,230 vision works because of the way the 1976 01:30:48,310 --> 01:30:46,340 experience works the sight example when 1977 01:30:52,410 --> 01:30:48,320 we first started sending astronauts into 1978 01:30:55,090 --> 01:30:52,420 space they all reported seeing these 1979 01:30:57,730 --> 01:30:55,100 3-dimensional balls of light inside of 1980 01:30:59,680 --> 01:30:57,740 the space capsules and NASA thought for 1981 01:31:01,810 --> 01:30:59,690 sure that there was some kind of leakage 1982 01:31:04,690 --> 01:31:01,820 of radiation and they were going to be 1983 01:31:06,700 --> 01:31:04,700 killed so they studied it and what they 1984 01:31:07,330 --> 01:31:06,710 found out was that once they got up into 1985 01:31:09,700 --> 01:31:07,340 space 1986 01:31:11,770 --> 01:31:09,710 there were cosmic rays hitting their 1987 01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:11,780 inner eye and creating a 1988 01:31:16,930 --> 01:31:13,850 three-dimensional hallucination of a 1989 01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:16,940 ball of light in front of them now each 1990 01:31:20,890 --> 01:31:19,610 astronaut was seeing a different ball of 1991 01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:20,900 light because it was a different 1992 01:31:25,510 --> 01:31:22,370 particle that was hitting each of their 1993 01:31:27,580 --> 01:31:25,520 eyes but how do you explain that you're 1994 01:31:29,650 --> 01:31:27,590 not seeing the same thing if I'm seeing 1995 01:31:31,390 --> 01:31:29,660 a ball like and you're seeing a ball 1996 01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:31,400 like we are immediately assuming that 1997 01:31:37,180 --> 01:31:34,010 it's the same ball of light so our 1998 01:31:39,490 --> 01:31:37,190 personal perspective colors the 1999 01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:39,500 experience as well because when I'm 2000 01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:41,570 telling you I see a shadow person and 2001 01:31:45,340 --> 01:31:43,610 someone says I see a shadow person when 2002 01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:45,350 someone says I see a gray ball of light 2003 01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:47,090 and you say you see a gray ball of light 2004 01:31:50,650 --> 01:31:48,890 we all assume it's we're looking at the 2005 01:31:52,300 --> 01:31:50,660 same thing when we might be all 2006 01:31:55,570 --> 01:31:52,310 experiencing something completely 2007 01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:55,580 different okay but that doesn't help me 2008 01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:00,560 at all also interesting about orbs that 2009 01:32:05,890 --> 01:32:02,210 no one ever talks about which i think is 2010 01:32:08,290 --> 01:32:05,900 fascinating is that the first kind of 2011 01:32:10,420 --> 01:32:08,300 actual white paper written on orbs and 2012 01:32:12,460 --> 01:32:10,430 dust and particulate matter causing orbs 2013 01:32:14,710 --> 01:32:12,470 was written by Bruce Maccabee who's a 2014 01:32:17,650 --> 01:32:14,720 UFO researcher he wrote a paper about it 2015 01:32:19,270 --> 01:32:17,660 in 1999 about with the advent of digital 2016 01:32:21,730 --> 01:32:19,280 cameras how people were going to start 2017 01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:21,740 seeing orbs more commonly and the reason 2018 01:32:27,130 --> 01:32:23,570 that Bruce was wrote a paper about it 2019 01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:27,140 was because orbs in thin film 2020 01:32:32,260 --> 01:32:29,810 photography had been seen for decades 2021 01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:32,270 but they were all thought to be UFOs or 2022 01:32:38,710 --> 01:32:36,530 aliens it wasn't until the 90s that orbs 2023 01:32:40,510 --> 01:32:38,720 started to become ghosts if you look 2024 01:32:41,770 --> 01:32:40,520 back in old fate magazines if you look 2025 01:32:44,410 --> 01:32:41,780 back in the old saucer Maggie 2026 01:32:47,290 --> 01:32:44,420 seems from the 1940s and 50s you'll see 2027 01:32:49,690 --> 01:32:47,300 articles about ships of light and they 2028 01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:49,700 are these small white balls of light and 2029 01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:51,530 now the other thing is with film the cam 2030 01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:53,810 right it's very difficult actually to 2031 01:32:58,000 --> 01:32:56,330 get a org to appear because the shutter 2032 01:32:59,980 --> 01:32:58,010 speed is so much slower than a digital 2033 01:33:01,690 --> 01:32:59,990 camera and the flash is so much further 2034 01:33:04,830 --> 01:33:01,700 away so what were people seeing back in 2035 01:33:07,480 --> 01:33:04,840 the 40s and 50s that have changed 2036 01:33:08,710 --> 01:33:07,490 because of the technology and in order 2037 01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:08,720 to be that being described as ghosts 2038 01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:10,850 when they were at once UFOs and aliens 2039 01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:13,130 well and then we have the phenomenon of 2040 01:33:20,230 --> 01:33:16,010 ball lightning which goes back in in 2041 01:33:23,710 --> 01:33:20,240 folklore you know a thousand years and 2042 01:33:25,630 --> 01:33:23,720 of course the Foo Fighters which again 2043 01:33:27,480 --> 01:33:25,640 may be a modern phenomenon but I've 2044 01:33:32,260 --> 01:33:27,490 always thought that they were the same 2045 01:33:35,890 --> 01:33:32,270 but I have also seen with large excuse 2046 01:33:39,670 --> 01:33:35,900 me groups of people of these craft that 2047 01:33:42,370 --> 01:33:39,680 in the skies that to summit pretty low 2048 01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:42,380 altitude some in higher altitudes but 2049 01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:44,690 I've seen stuff go from ground level up 2050 01:33:52,930 --> 01:33:49,810 into the atmosphere that clearly aren't 2051 01:33:56,710 --> 01:33:52,940 metallic or structured but they're 2052 01:34:00,850 --> 01:33:56,720 definite you know a physical side of of 2053 01:34:02,980 --> 01:34:00,860 energy right and I can't I can't I don't 2054 01:34:06,250 --> 01:34:02,990 have I don't have a way of explaining it 2055 01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:06,260 but I've seen it and I I don't know if 2056 01:34:11,530 --> 01:34:09,530 this is part of orbs and spirits and you 2057 01:34:14,350 --> 01:34:11,540 know indigenous cultures what they have 2058 01:34:16,930 --> 01:34:14,360 talked about and and and we see these 2059 01:34:21,610 --> 01:34:16,940 today I think the phenomenon is real I 2060 01:34:23,620 --> 01:34:21,620 just don't know what it is yeah I like I 2061 01:34:27,370 --> 01:34:23,630 said I've only seen three things that I 2062 01:34:32,650 --> 01:34:27,380 thought were UFO and the last time it 2063 01:34:37,090 --> 01:34:32,660 was three very bright or dish objects in 2064 01:34:38,830 --> 01:34:37,100 the sky moving very strangely and after 2065 01:34:41,110 --> 01:34:38,840 talking to other ufo-ologists for years 2066 01:34:43,210 --> 01:34:41,120 and years and years I had an opportunity 2067 01:34:46,180 --> 01:34:43,220 to try out something which I tell people 2068 01:34:47,980 --> 01:34:46,190 to do all the time now which is I stood 2069 01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:47,990 there watching them another person was 2070 01:34:51,790 --> 01:34:49,250 with me we were actually traveling 2071 01:34:54,550 --> 01:34:51,800 through the UPF Michigan and he said are 2072 01:34:55,500 --> 01:34:54,560 those UFO and I said they absolutely are 2073 01:34:56,690 --> 01:34:55,510 cuz I don't know what they 2074 01:34:59,760 --> 01:34:56,700 they're not moving like anything I know 2075 01:35:03,810 --> 01:34:59,770 but we're gonna try something which is 2076 01:35:05,940 --> 01:35:03,820 let's look at them and tell them that we 2077 01:35:07,979 --> 01:35:05,950 see them in our minds telepathically 2078 01:35:11,130 --> 01:35:07,989 send them a message ask them if they're 2079 01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:11,140 UFOs and he was like why and I said 2080 01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:13,210 because if they are really UFOs they'll 2081 01:35:19,050 --> 01:35:15,730 fly over the top of us they'll fly right 2082 01:35:21,420 --> 01:35:19,060 over our heads and he laughed and we 2083 01:35:23,070 --> 01:35:21,430 both started to stare and concentrate at 2084 01:35:25,530 --> 01:35:23,080 these three objects way off in the 2085 01:35:28,370 --> 01:35:25,540 distance and all three of them stopped 2086 01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:28,380 turned and flew directly over our heads 2087 01:35:38,970 --> 01:35:31,810 now how do you how do you relate that 2088 01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:38,980 story to like a Richard Dawkins you 2089 01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:40,930 don't right he doesn't want to hear it 2090 01:35:52,170 --> 01:35:45,760 right because I I've had the same 2091 01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:52,180 experiences and I I now don't care right 2092 01:35:57,660 --> 01:35:54,250 I don't care if I tell the stories I I 2093 01:36:01,260 --> 01:35:57,670 don't care how crazy I sound it doesn't 2094 01:36:04,170 --> 01:36:01,270 change the experience for your friend 2095 01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:04,180 had he's seen a UFO before was this part 2096 01:36:09,450 --> 01:36:06,730 of you know his life or was this a new 2097 01:36:13,110 --> 01:36:09,460 event no never he was driving me to an 2098 01:36:15,150 --> 01:36:13,120 event and actually he had told me an 2099 01:36:17,220 --> 01:36:15,160 hour into the drive we weren't even 2100 01:36:18,930 --> 01:36:17,230 really outside of Metro Detroit he had 2101 01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:18,940 said like I know we're gonna be in the 2102 01:36:23,670 --> 01:36:21,760 car for a long time I just don't want 2103 01:36:24,780 --> 01:36:23,680 anything screwed up to happen and I said 2104 01:36:26,220 --> 01:36:24,790 what do you mean he goes I just don't 2105 01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:26,230 want to like have a ghost run out in 2106 01:36:29,070 --> 01:36:27,730 front of us or see a UFO or anything 2107 01:36:31,410 --> 01:36:29,080 like that like just don't let anything 2108 01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:31,420 like that happen so at two o'clock in 2109 01:36:36,300 --> 01:36:32,890 the morning passing through the Upper 2110 01:36:37,950 --> 01:36:36,310 Peninsula I looked at him and he goes 2111 01:36:39,690 --> 01:36:37,960 did you just flick a cigarette out the 2112 01:36:41,670 --> 01:36:39,700 window and I said I didn't did you 2113 01:36:43,740 --> 01:36:41,680 then he goes no and he kind of huffed 2114 01:36:45,630 --> 01:36:43,750 and he goes is there something orange 2115 01:36:47,220 --> 01:36:45,640 flying around in the sky off to the side 2116 01:36:49,050 --> 01:36:47,230 of us and I said I think there is and 2117 01:36:51,170 --> 01:36:49,060 that was kind of the moment it started 2118 01:36:56,010 --> 01:36:51,180 and how is he now 2119 01:37:02,520 --> 01:36:56,020 today he runs a UFO convention yeah bet 2120 01:37:07,540 --> 01:37:05,649 one of my first okay there's a there's a 2121 01:37:09,459 --> 01:37:07,550 there's a guy here in Los Angeles you 2122 01:37:12,250 --> 01:37:09,469 may know him is a mystique Murillo and 2123 01:37:15,869 --> 01:37:12,260 he's done a lot of here I move on out 2124 01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:15,879 here in LA for 13 years and a great guy 2125 01:37:22,959 --> 01:37:18,729 educated United States Naval Academy 2126 01:37:25,869 --> 01:37:22,969 Marine Corps fighter pilot you know feet 2127 01:37:28,719 --> 01:37:25,879 on the ground great guy right great guy 2128 01:37:32,639 --> 01:37:28,729 very smart and this is like 10 years ago 2129 01:37:36,489 --> 01:37:32,649 and he's telling me this story about 2130 01:37:38,739 --> 01:37:36,499 flashing lasers at these three lights in 2131 01:37:41,229 --> 01:37:38,749 the sky out in the desert one night and 2132 01:37:44,139 --> 01:37:41,239 he was skeptical and then suddenly these 2133 01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:44,149 things are flashing back and he said you 2134 01:37:49,569 --> 01:37:46,610 know Jimmy I'm serious I couldn't 2135 01:37:53,409 --> 01:37:49,579 believe it and I'm just I'm not buying 2136 01:37:55,119 --> 01:37:53,419 into the story years later Steve and I 2137 01:37:58,060 --> 01:37:55,129 are with a group of friends 2138 01:38:02,619 --> 01:37:58,070 okay now I'm with Steve and we're out in 2139 01:38:05,049 --> 01:38:02,629 Joshua Tree and we have a this cabin 2140 01:38:06,879 --> 01:38:05,059 like cottage thing that we rented out in 2141 01:38:10,389 --> 01:38:06,889 the middle of the desert we got about 10 2142 01:38:13,869 --> 01:38:10,399 15 20 people there and we're out on the 2143 01:38:18,580 --> 01:38:13,879 patio and somebody says wouldn't it be 2144 01:38:23,589 --> 01:38:18,590 funny if we just saw a UFO and John at 2145 01:38:25,330 --> 01:38:23,599 that moment at that exact moment out in 2146 01:38:26,169 --> 01:38:25,340 the middle of the desert about a quarter 2147 01:38:30,189 --> 01:38:26,179 mile away 2148 01:38:33,669 --> 01:38:30,199 this white white no other way to explain 2149 01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:33,679 it ball of light takes off from the 2150 01:38:41,889 --> 01:38:37,610 desert floor shoots straight up didn't 2151 01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:41,899 curve straight up and into the Stars and 2152 01:38:52,209 --> 01:38:48,050 that lasted about two seconds just pill 2153 01:38:55,509 --> 01:38:52,219 into the darkness of the sky into the 2154 01:38:57,629 --> 01:38:55,519 Stars and we're all standing there and 2155 01:39:03,040 --> 01:38:57,639 Steve's like I told you man I told you 2156 01:39:06,819 --> 01:39:03,050 what now so that is the craziest thing 2157 01:39:09,639 --> 01:39:06,829 that I can say out loud but it happened 2158 01:39:11,500 --> 01:39:09,649 and no matter what a Richard Dawkins or 2159 01:39:14,229 --> 01:39:11,510 Krauss or somebody that's going to tell 2160 01:39:16,750 --> 01:39:14,239 tell me that you know that 2161 01:39:19,839 --> 01:39:16,760 you know Tyson or anybody didn't tell me 2162 01:39:21,879 --> 01:39:19,849 that that wasn't real it was it doesn't 2163 01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:21,889 change the event and I don't care about 2164 01:39:31,959 --> 01:39:24,650 talking about it anymore I know I don't 2165 01:39:34,270 --> 01:39:31,969 I we have to look at the phenomena as it 2166 01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:34,280 brings like I there are natural 2167 01:39:37,930 --> 01:39:37,520 phenomena and the universe plays tricks 2168 01:39:41,500 --> 01:39:37,940 with us 2169 01:39:42,430 --> 01:39:41,510 I again with that friend and I driving 2170 01:39:46,330 --> 01:39:42,440 through that Michigan's Upper Peninsula 2171 01:39:48,459 --> 01:39:46,340 and seeing those UFO I was dating a 2172 01:39:50,529 --> 01:39:48,469 woman once as many years ago 2173 01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:50,539 we weren't dating yet we were at a I hop 2174 01:39:56,049 --> 01:39:52,730 just trying to figure out if we wanted 2175 01:39:58,000 --> 01:39:56,059 to date each other and we went outside 2176 01:39:59,890 --> 01:39:58,010 after we had eaten and we were walking 2177 01:40:01,930 --> 01:39:59,900 around holding hands for the first time 2178 01:40:03,850 --> 01:40:01,940 and she said I'm I think I'm gonna date 2179 01:40:06,220 --> 01:40:03,860 you but I don't want anything I don't 2180 01:40:07,779 --> 01:40:06,230 want my life to get any weirder and I 2181 01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:07,789 said well I can't promise anything 2182 01:40:13,299 --> 01:40:10,480 and she kind of giggles and laughed and 2183 01:40:17,229 --> 01:40:13,309 we had our very first kiss in that 2184 01:40:20,049 --> 01:40:17,239 moment and as we kissed the largest 2185 01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:20,059 meteor to explode over Michigan exploded 2186 01:40:24,990 --> 01:40:23,360 over our heads and she turned back and 2187 01:40:28,089 --> 01:40:25,000 looked at me and said is this not 2188 01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:28,099 weirdness and I said I told you I can't 2189 01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:30,320 promise anything so I mean even natural 2190 01:40:38,140 --> 01:40:34,250 phenomena the universe comes to us the 2191 01:40:40,330 --> 01:40:38,150 way it wants to come to us when okay 2192 01:40:43,899 --> 01:40:40,340 we're coming down to the bottom of the 2193 01:40:47,620 --> 01:40:43,909 hour and I'm not ready to finish can I 2194 01:40:48,850 --> 01:40:47,630 get you to hang on for some overtime sir 2195 01:40:50,979 --> 01:40:48,860 okay great great 2196 01:40:55,149 --> 01:40:50,989 okay I feel better now because now I've 2197 01:40:58,299 --> 01:40:55,159 got too many things that that I need to 2198 01:41:01,870 --> 01:40:58,309 discuss and that okay so let's let's go 2199 01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:01,880 back to the everything that we have 2200 01:41:08,140 --> 01:41:04,880 discussed this evening and and how they 2201 01:41:12,399 --> 01:41:08,150 may or may not be connected because what 2202 01:41:15,879 --> 01:41:12,409 we're talking about UFOs UFOs can appear 2203 01:41:17,709 --> 01:41:15,889 and disappear in front of our eyes in a 2204 01:41:19,930 --> 01:41:17,719 second without xsplit doesn't make any 2205 01:41:24,359 --> 01:41:19,940 sense how they can be there and they 2206 01:41:27,109 --> 01:41:24,369 cannot Bigfoot is there and then 2207 01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:27,119 disappears Bigfoot and you of 2208 01:41:34,369 --> 01:41:30,570 those ghosts appear and disappear 2209 01:41:39,219 --> 01:41:34,379 orbs appear and disappear all of these 2210 01:41:44,750 --> 01:41:39,229 things seem to be doing the exact same 2211 01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:44,760 thing yeah which is why I I tell people 2212 01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:47,010 to investigate the octopus and not the 2213 01:41:51,469 --> 01:41:49,530 tentacles if the universe is coming to 2214 01:41:54,049 --> 01:41:51,479 us like I just said in the ways that it 2215 01:41:56,869 --> 01:41:54,059 needs to come to us it will come to us 2216 01:41:59,839 --> 01:41:56,879 in it in an infinitesimal amount of 2217 01:42:01,100 --> 01:41:59,849 forms whether that some people need to 2218 01:42:02,899 --> 01:42:01,110 see a Bigfoot some people need to see 2219 01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:02,909 UFO some people need to see a ghost some 2220 01:42:06,949 --> 01:42:04,800 people need to see a goatman some people 2221 01:42:09,799 --> 01:42:06,959 need to see a dog man an elf a gnome 2222 01:42:13,429 --> 01:42:09,809 whatever it is it comes to you the way 2223 01:42:15,319 --> 01:42:13,439 that you need it and trying to break it 2224 01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:15,329 into its component pieces you do a 2225 01:42:24,409 --> 01:42:17,760 disservice to the infinitude of the 2226 01:42:29,509 --> 01:42:24,419 cosmos if the if if Bigfoot if tomorrow 2227 01:42:32,989 --> 01:42:29,519 a corpse of Bigfoot is is found does 2228 01:42:36,290 --> 01:42:32,999 that change things right if tomorrow we 2229 01:42:39,229 --> 01:42:36,300 get a secret chamber inside of the Great 2230 01:42:42,469 --> 01:42:39,239 Pyramid that shows that it has papyrus 2231 01:42:46,580 --> 01:42:42,479 in it showing UFOs building the pyramids 2232 01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:46,590 or if some game changing event 2233 01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:50,159 it comes out does it actually change 2234 01:42:55,790 --> 01:42:53,280 things I really don't think so 2235 01:42:58,580 --> 01:42:55,800 if if someone binds a physical Bigfoot 2236 01:43:02,119 --> 01:42:58,590 body in the forest then that means that 2237 01:43:05,929 --> 01:43:02,129 there are physical Bigfoot but again I'm 2238 01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:05,939 open to an infinitude of strangeness and 2239 01:43:10,399 --> 01:43:08,639 and I am allowed my weirdness to 2240 01:43:12,319 --> 01:43:10,409 diversify I think that there are 2241 01:43:14,540 --> 01:43:12,329 physical bigfoot absolutely maybe 2242 01:43:16,399 --> 01:43:14,550 perhaps but i also think that there are 2243 01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:16,409 non-physical bigfoot absolutely maybe 2244 01:43:20,659 --> 01:43:18,449 perhaps an alien bigfoot and 2245 01:43:23,779 --> 01:43:20,669 time-traveling bigfoot the universe 2246 01:43:27,049 --> 01:43:23,789 doesn't need to only be one thing it 2247 01:43:28,790 --> 01:43:27,059 doesn't need to be on or off this is why 2248 01:43:31,339 --> 01:43:28,800 this stuff needs to be studied and 2249 01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:31,349 researched this is I mean people can 2250 01:43:37,159 --> 01:43:34,050 laugh at how silly it may seem to 2251 01:43:39,529 --> 01:43:37,169 investigate let's take just ghosts but 2252 01:43:41,180 --> 01:43:39,539 the reality of the situation is 2253 01:43:42,709 --> 01:43:41,190 if you make a breakthrough in math 2254 01:43:45,069 --> 01:43:42,719 that's great if you make a breakthrough 2255 01:43:47,390 --> 01:43:45,079 in environmental sciences that's great 2256 01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:47,400 physics it's great mechanics it's great 2257 01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:49,530 architecture it's great if you make a 2258 01:43:53,450 --> 01:43:51,210 breakthrough if you actually start to 2259 01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:53,460 figure out what happens to the human 2260 01:43:58,819 --> 01:43:56,730 being after biological death and where 2261 01:44:01,370 --> 01:43:58,829 it goes and what happens you 2262 01:44:04,729 --> 01:44:01,380 fundamentally change reality for 2263 01:44:06,620 --> 01:44:04,739 humankind forever like its massive like 2264 01:44:08,509 --> 01:44:06,630 we do laugh and have a good time about 2265 01:44:10,459 --> 01:44:08,519 how weird this stuff is but it's 2266 01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:10,469 massively important I've never 2267 01:44:15,169 --> 01:44:13,199 understood the first three cognitive 2268 01:44:17,419 --> 01:44:15,179 cavemen who were somewhat self-aware 2269 01:44:19,490 --> 01:44:17,429 whether it be 6,000 years ago according 2270 01:44:21,620 --> 01:44:19,500 to your belief system or 500 thousand 2271 01:44:23,870 --> 01:44:21,630 years ago the first three cavemen that 2272 01:44:26,810 --> 01:44:23,880 were standing around when one fell down 2273 01:44:28,939 --> 01:44:26,820 dead the other two should have pointed 2274 01:44:30,589 --> 01:44:28,949 at him pointed at each other and said is 2275 01:44:31,669 --> 01:44:30,599 that going to happen to me and in that 2276 01:44:34,220 --> 01:44:31,679 moment they should have started 2277 01:44:36,890 --> 01:44:34,230 researching what reality and existence 2278 01:44:40,250 --> 01:44:36,900 meant and they didn't and that's a kind 2279 01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:40,260 of crime against all of humanity when we 2280 01:44:45,529 --> 01:44:42,090 come back after the break I want to talk 2281 01:44:48,799 --> 01:44:45,539 about magic and something that we 2282 01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:48,809 haven't touched tonight and and I want 2283 01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:53,010 to get to that and I feel that those 2284 01:44:58,009 --> 01:44:55,650 cavemen that you're talking about that 2285 01:45:00,259 --> 01:44:58,019 they eventually did figure it out I 2286 01:45:05,410 --> 01:45:00,269 think that the ancients I do believe 2287 01:45:08,149 --> 01:45:05,420 that the Egyptians had it had it dialed 2288 01:45:10,459 --> 01:45:08,159 they they were right there they 2289 01:45:12,919 --> 01:45:10,469 understood it but amnesia at some point 2290 01:45:14,779 --> 01:45:12,929 set in and we have chosen to forget 2291 01:45:19,310 --> 01:45:14,789 about everything that we had acquired in 2292 01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:19,320 the past yeah yeah for sure let's take 2293 01:45:24,649 --> 01:45:21,119 our break right here our guest tonight 2294 01:45:26,750 --> 01:45:24,659 John E Elton II this is fade to black 2295 01:45:29,810 --> 01:45:26,760 I'm your host Jimmy Church I'm the game 2296 01:45:31,790 --> 01:45:29,820 changer networking kgr a the planet you 2297 01:45:35,359 --> 01:45:31,800 can follow me on twitter @jj radio 2298 01:45:37,310 --> 01:45:35,369 follow John at John II L 10 e right 2299 01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:37,320 there on Twitter the links are up in the 2300 01:45:40,759 --> 01:45:39,360 conversation we'll be right back after 2301 01:45:43,129 --> 01:45:40,769 this short break we're gonna do some 2302 01:45:43,650 --> 01:45:43,139 overtime I want to talk some magic stay 2303 01:45:56,920 --> 01:45:43,660 with us 2304 01:46:03,830 --> 01:45:59,240 welcome back fade to black our guest 2305 01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:03,840 tonight j-johnny hello it said je Elton 2306 01:46:11,660 --> 01:46:09,330 John il10 II and that was a first we're 2307 01:46:16,580 --> 01:46:11,670 going into some overtime 2308 01:46:20,350 --> 01:46:16,590 I don I've done over probably close to 2309 01:46:30,140 --> 01:46:20,360 2,000 shows never had that happen before 2310 01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:30,150 and I the so I got up you know we have 2311 01:46:37,370 --> 01:46:35,280 digital playback sample players right 2312 01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:37,380 you know professional broadcast 2313 01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:40,650 equipment and I just hit you know number 2314 01:46:46,820 --> 01:46:43,920 six or five or whatever and walked away 2315 01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:46,830 I picked up a guitar on the other side 2316 01:46:50,900 --> 01:46:48,330 of the studio sitting there strumming 2317 01:46:53,390 --> 01:46:50,910 and I heard everything stopped I thought 2318 01:46:55,340 --> 01:46:53,400 that's weird so I put the guitar down I 2319 01:46:58,130 --> 01:46:55,350 thought it was gonna resize well no I 2320 01:47:01,550 --> 01:46:58,140 come over and I've got lights flashing 2321 01:47:02,870 --> 01:47:01,560 on the remote control and I've never 2322 01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:02,880 seen that before 2323 01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:05,370 and I kind of turned around and I didn't 2324 01:47:09,890 --> 01:47:08,250 know what to do and then it started 2325 01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:09,900 playing again from the beginning 2326 01:47:15,830 --> 01:47:13,290 and I've never I've this is digital gear 2327 01:47:20,540 --> 01:47:15,840 right it doesn't do its own thing it 2328 01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:20,550 said it's repetitive that's that's that 2329 01:47:24,290 --> 01:47:23,280 was strange man you manifested so I used 2330 01:47:30,770 --> 01:47:24,300 to freak out 2331 01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:30,780 a ghost in the paranormal programming 2332 01:47:36,140 --> 01:47:34,290 years ago the things would go long in 2333 01:47:37,270 --> 01:47:36,150 the studio before that when I was doing 2334 01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:37,280 sports 2335 01:47:43,010 --> 01:47:41,010 nothing nothing ever happened nothing 2336 01:47:44,750 --> 01:47:43,020 usually I'm paranormal radio shows when 2337 01:47:47,290 --> 01:47:44,760 something goes wrong everybody just says 2338 01:47:49,190 --> 01:47:47,300 it's the men in black the government I 2339 01:47:52,370 --> 01:47:49,200 don't even care anymore 2340 01:47:55,010 --> 01:47:52,380 I don't even react it's just like it's 2341 01:47:56,990 --> 01:47:55,020 it's it's it's part of the gig which 2342 01:47:59,150 --> 01:47:57,000 which brings me to I want to I want to 2343 01:48:01,609 --> 01:47:59,160 talk about magic and I think it just 2344 01:48:04,010 --> 01:48:01,619 happened here in the studio 2345 01:48:05,689 --> 01:48:04,020 brought it up before the break somebody 2346 01:48:10,419 --> 01:48:05,699 said okay you want to see if it's real 2347 01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:10,429 here you go when we talk about you know 2348 01:48:17,419 --> 01:48:13,050 there's of course Aleister Crowley but 2349 01:48:20,620 --> 01:48:17,429 there is the occultists and the 2350 01:48:23,810 --> 01:48:20,630 alchemist and the hermit assist and and 2351 01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:23,820 the pursuit of magic that has gone back 2352 01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:26,880 for thousands of years and here we are 2353 01:48:36,770 --> 01:48:30,810 today with magic and different rituals 2354 01:48:39,109 --> 01:48:36,780 and and the ceremony that goes on what's 2355 01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:39,119 your take on that is this something that 2356 01:48:47,140 --> 01:48:41,760 is manifested is it a is a part of a 2357 01:48:49,490 --> 01:48:47,150 reality is it is it is it not I mean I 2358 01:48:51,500 --> 01:48:49,500 performed I've I've been a magic 2359 01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:51,510 practitioner for the majority of my life 2360 01:48:57,859 --> 01:48:55,610 I went through all the stages of 2361 01:48:59,720 --> 01:48:57,869 initiating through different groups and 2362 01:49:02,600 --> 01:48:59,730 trying to find different magical systems 2363 01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:02,610 that work for me and eventually fell 2364 01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:07,679 into a very organic and natural I never 2365 01:49:11,870 --> 01:49:10,050 thought that magic I mean I understand 2366 01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:11,880 that ritual works I understand that 2367 01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:15,690 ceremonial magic has its place but I 2368 01:49:22,669 --> 01:49:18,210 I've come to believe that you know you 2369 01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:22,679 do what suits you I guess you know 2370 01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:25,440 people who are into Crowley would say 2371 01:49:30,430 --> 01:49:27,570 you know it's your will you do what you 2372 01:49:34,459 --> 01:49:30,440 want I don't think that magic 2373 01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:34,469 appreciates being repetitive I do want 2374 01:49:38,180 --> 01:49:36,330 like I said I understand the power of 2375 01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:38,190 ritual I know there's probably a 2376 01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:40,050 magicians and a cultists who get mad at 2377 01:49:46,189 --> 01:49:43,530 me for saying - just being solitary 2378 01:49:48,169 --> 01:49:46,199 witch and just do their solitary magic 2379 01:49:50,990 --> 01:49:48,179 but I for me that's what works best and 2380 01:49:55,070 --> 01:49:51,000 it's all around us I think people forget 2381 01:49:56,899 --> 01:49:55,080 that - I was at the local bar that I go 2382 01:49:58,490 --> 01:49:56,909 to this is a few years ago and there was 2383 01:50:00,260 --> 01:49:58,500 a guy sitting next to me and the 2384 01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:00,270 bartender had told him what I do for a 2385 01:50:05,359 --> 01:50:03,090 living and he said do you he goes do you 2386 01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:05,369 really believe in magic and I said I 2387 01:50:10,010 --> 01:50:07,770 don't really believe in it but I have 2388 01:50:12,360 --> 01:50:10,020 ideas about it and he laughed and he 2389 01:50:14,010 --> 01:50:12,370 goes it's all junk none of it works 2390 01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:14,020 and I was trying to find a way to reach 2391 01:50:18,690 --> 01:50:16,000 out to him and start a better dialogue 2392 01:50:20,130 --> 01:50:18,700 than that and he was watching a Red 2393 01:50:22,620 --> 01:50:20,140 Wings hockey game he had a Red Wings 2394 01:50:25,170 --> 01:50:22,630 Jersey on and I just simply said to him 2395 01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:25,180 have you ever grown your beard out so 2396 01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:27,730 the Red Wings win a game and he goes 2397 01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:29,890 yeah of course man every year you got to 2398 01:50:33,780 --> 01:50:31,450 grow it out how else was I gonna and I 2399 01:50:36,090 --> 01:50:33,790 said no no no stop I know do you realize 2400 01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:36,100 you're doing magic right now and he goes 2401 01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:37,570 what do you mean I said do you really 2402 01:50:44,370 --> 01:50:40,570 think that growing your beard out helps 2403 01:50:46,530 --> 01:50:44,380 a hockey team win a game and like that's 2404 01:50:48,540 --> 01:50:46,540 how much it persists like we don't 2405 01:50:51,330 --> 01:50:48,550 understand that we're doing magical 2406 01:50:53,460 --> 01:50:51,340 rituals all the time whether we're 2407 01:50:56,700 --> 01:50:53,470 having wedding ceremonies or graduation 2408 01:50:58,560 --> 01:50:56,710 ceremonies if you watch a giant magical 2409 01:51:00,240 --> 01:50:58,570 ritual I mean a magical ritual is you 2410 01:51:02,100 --> 01:51:00,250 have an elder you have some acolytes 2411 01:51:04,020 --> 01:51:02,110 they have a hollowed piece of ground 2412 01:51:05,490 --> 01:51:04,030 that has some chalk and weird markings 2413 01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:05,500 on it and they're surrounded by people 2414 01:51:10,380 --> 01:51:08,170 who are either initiated or not who 2415 01:51:12,990 --> 01:51:10,390 chant and sing in unison to effect a 2416 01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:13,000 desired result on that hallowed piece of 2417 01:51:17,130 --> 01:51:15,370 ground I haven't described a magical 2418 01:51:18,420 --> 01:51:17,140 ritual I described a football game to 2419 01:51:20,310 --> 01:51:18,430 you you have a coach and you have 2420 01:51:21,870 --> 01:51:20,320 players and you have chalk on the ground 2421 01:51:23,580 --> 01:51:21,880 the hallowed piece of ground surrounded 2422 01:51:25,020 --> 01:51:23,590 by people who chant and sing when you 2423 01:51:27,540 --> 01:51:25,030 watch a football game you're watching a 2424 01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:27,550 magic ritual and then there's the other 2425 01:51:34,470 --> 01:51:32,170 side where there are those out there 2426 01:51:37,590 --> 01:51:34,480 that will say that Stanley Kubrick and 2427 01:51:41,700 --> 01:51:37,600 and HEIs Wide Shut was a documentary 2428 01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:41,710 that there is an elitist Illuminati dark 2429 01:51:47,850 --> 01:51:44,170 magic group that is running the planet 2430 01:51:50,370 --> 01:51:47,860 with the assistance of ritual and 2431 01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:50,380 ceremony what do we do with that part of 2432 01:51:54,870 --> 01:51:52,690 it I mean there's going to be that part 2433 01:51:59,310 --> 01:51:54,880 there are people and whether it's 2434 01:52:00,480 --> 01:51:59,320 because they are incapable of much early 2435 01:52:02,160 --> 01:52:00,490 excuse me 2436 01:52:06,260 --> 01:52:02,170 much earlier in this interview we were 2437 01:52:10,470 --> 01:52:06,270 talking about engaging strange phenomena 2438 01:52:12,540 --> 01:52:10,480 sorry engaging strange phenomena yeah 2439 01:52:14,370 --> 01:52:12,550 whether they're incapable of coming up 2440 01:52:16,910 --> 01:52:14,380 with new motives and means and methods 2441 01:52:19,200 --> 01:52:16,920 and so they use the ritual which works 2442 01:52:21,060 --> 01:52:19,210 over and over again and they think that 2443 01:52:23,070 --> 01:52:21,070 they're the only ones doing it because 2444 01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:23,080 they're again incapable of thinking 2445 01:52:26,850 --> 01:52:25,570 outside their own insulated bubble or 2446 01:52:29,550 --> 01:52:26,860 sphere 2447 01:52:34,740 --> 01:52:29,560 I mean that's part of it too 2448 01:52:39,440 --> 01:52:34,750 because whenever you become a solitary 2449 01:52:42,510 --> 01:52:39,450 group that has some difficulties again 2450 01:52:44,100 --> 01:52:42,520 we talked earlier about engaging the 2451 01:52:45,750 --> 01:52:44,110 universe and engaging everyone around 2452 01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:45,760 you understanding that everyone is 2453 01:52:49,260 --> 01:52:48,130 different when you have a single group 2454 01:52:51,090 --> 01:52:49,270 whether you want to call them the 2455 01:52:54,830 --> 01:52:51,100 Illuminati or the wealthiest or the 2456 01:52:57,660 --> 01:52:54,840 elitists you know whatever term you have 2457 01:53:00,270 --> 01:52:57,670 that does them a disservice their magic 2458 01:53:03,270 --> 01:53:00,280 might work yes but it's not going to be 2459 01:53:04,500 --> 01:53:03,280 any better or worse than what you can do 2460 01:53:09,450 --> 01:53:04,510 at home by yourself 2461 01:53:12,030 --> 01:53:09,460 well and the there there's a part of me 2462 01:53:14,850 --> 01:53:12,040 and I think with everyone that are 2463 01:53:17,010 --> 01:53:14,860 fascinated with it it's a fun subject to 2464 01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:17,020 go and explore and we all say what if 2465 01:53:25,740 --> 01:53:20,560 and then we have that scene of you in 2466 01:53:28,740 --> 01:53:25,750 hell you're in Detroit right where it's 2467 01:53:32,580 --> 01:53:28,750 almost a definitive Court case that is 2468 01:53:37,229 --> 01:53:32,590 being played out where this the sequence 2469 01:53:41,250 --> 01:53:37,239 of numbers is suddenly tied into and 2470 01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:41,260 we're I think in a factual sense to to 2471 01:53:49,950 --> 01:53:46,210 Crowley and to the OTO and to to magic 2472 01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:49,960 through symbolism and numbers and if you 2473 01:53:54,959 --> 01:53:52,570 want any other clearer proof I can't 2474 01:53:58,170 --> 01:53:54,969 give it to you and it played out in that 2475 01:53:59,910 --> 01:53:58,180 scene I talked about it in that scene 2476 01:54:02,700 --> 01:53:59,920 and Helier I talked about it though I 2477 01:54:04,590 --> 01:54:02,710 talked about like Crowley wasn't the one 2478 01:54:06,060 --> 01:54:04,600 who figured out the numbers John Dee 2479 01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:06,070 wasn't the one who figured out the 2480 01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:09,010 numbers these ideas and concepts these 2481 01:54:14,850 --> 01:54:12,730 magical systems exist and they have been 2482 01:54:17,430 --> 01:54:14,860 discovered over and over and over again 2483 01:54:19,940 --> 01:54:17,440 and they reveal themselves over and over 2484 01:54:22,709 --> 01:54:19,950 and over again in a myriad and a 2485 01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:22,719 infinitesimal amount of way are infinite 2486 01:54:29,700 --> 01:54:26,890 amount of ways they are diverse but they 2487 01:54:31,530 --> 01:54:29,710 are also very simple this is that kind 2488 01:54:32,729 --> 01:54:31,540 of paradoxical language that I was 2489 01:54:36,090 --> 01:54:32,739 talking about that we have difficulty 2490 01:54:38,850 --> 01:54:36,100 with as human beings who Crowley did 2491 01:54:39,350 --> 01:54:38,860 make it very popular yes but he didn't 2492 01:54:42,070 --> 01:54:39,360 just 2493 01:54:44,780 --> 01:54:42,080 over it he was building on the backs of 2494 01:54:46,939 --> 01:54:44,790 metaphysics and psychical research that 2495 01:54:49,070 --> 01:54:46,949 came before him and a cultists before 2496 01:54:51,229 --> 01:54:49,080 him and it goes back all the way to the 2497 01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:51,239 Egyptians and the Sumerians and go back 2498 01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:53,690 late Fe I mean it goes all the way back 2499 01:54:59,000 --> 01:54:56,880 people understand to the triad they 2500 01:55:00,830 --> 01:54:59,010 understand the three like this is 2501 01:55:03,320 --> 01:55:00,840 something that reveals itself over and 2502 01:55:06,430 --> 01:55:03,330 over again and in Helier it was just one 2503 01:55:09,439 --> 01:55:06,440 of those moments where they had become 2504 01:55:12,260 --> 01:55:09,449 so intensely focused on what it should 2505 01:55:14,270 --> 01:55:12,270 mean they didn't they weren't 2506 01:55:17,180 --> 01:55:14,280 understanding that it just meant 2507 01:55:21,439 --> 01:55:17,190 something what is that what is the 2508 01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:21,449 journey though because in in Hellyer I 2509 01:55:28,669 --> 01:55:25,170 think that any of us you or any member 2510 01:55:31,340 --> 01:55:28,679 of this audience could do exactly the 2511 01:55:35,090 --> 01:55:31,350 same journey that Dana and Greg and 2512 01:55:38,479 --> 01:55:35,100 Connor and Karl are on and are doing if 2513 01:55:41,209 --> 01:55:38,489 you choose to to follow what is in front 2514 01:55:44,300 --> 01:55:41,219 of you and it says to me that somebody 2515 01:55:47,629 --> 01:55:44,310 out there I don't know what it is if 2516 01:55:52,790 --> 01:55:47,639 it's a spirit or an energy understands 2517 01:55:55,399 --> 01:55:52,800 this because it is it is real yeah I 2518 01:55:57,290 --> 01:55:55,409 think that one of the fascinating points 2519 01:55:59,600 --> 01:55:57,300 of Helier and and what people are 2520 01:56:02,300 --> 01:55:59,610 witnessing by watching it is they are 2521 01:56:06,830 --> 01:56:02,310 they are watching an initiatory process 2522 01:56:08,840 --> 01:56:06,840 but this is not specifically the only 2523 01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:08,850 initiatory process that goes on our 2524 01:56:13,070 --> 01:56:11,010 lives our human existence is an 2525 01:56:16,189 --> 01:56:13,080 initiatory process over and over and 2526 01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:16,199 over again we are just seeing it now 2527 01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:18,090 because of social media and because of 2528 01:56:25,580 --> 01:56:21,810 movies and the ability of the eye the 2529 01:56:27,950 --> 01:56:25,590 the kind of desire behind Carl and 2530 01:56:30,109 --> 01:56:27,960 Connor and Greg and Dana to witness an 2531 01:56:32,450 --> 01:56:30,119 initiatory and experience on a large 2532 01:56:34,250 --> 01:56:32,460 scale and because we're witnessing it 2533 01:56:36,500 --> 01:56:34,260 we're partaking in it we're going 2534 01:56:38,359 --> 01:56:36,510 through our own initiation process we're 2535 01:56:40,220 --> 01:56:38,369 going through our own ego death we're 2536 01:56:42,290 --> 01:56:40,230 going through the trials the 2537 01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:42,300 tribulations and we're getting to the 2538 01:56:46,129 --> 01:56:44,130 point where in all in this yutori 2539 01:56:50,149 --> 01:56:46,139 experiences where we're coming out of a 2540 01:56:53,020 --> 01:56:50,159 cave desiring illumination and it's 2541 01:56:56,410 --> 01:56:53,030 really amazing to see that happening 2542 01:56:59,020 --> 01:56:56,420 not in one person or in a single journey 2543 01:57:02,410 --> 01:56:59,030 but watching the thousands of people do 2544 01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:02,420 it on social media why is it that and 2545 01:57:10,120 --> 01:57:06,170 you see it in real time in Helier where 2546 01:57:12,699 --> 01:57:10,130 Greg and Dana in the team are one step 2547 01:57:16,419 --> 01:57:12,709 away from the edge of the cliff of of 2548 01:57:20,319 --> 01:57:16,429 total darkness and it's a variety of 2549 01:57:22,979 --> 01:57:20,329 subjects why is that always the test of 2550 01:57:26,350 --> 01:57:22,989 the initiation why aren't they chasing 2551 01:57:31,179 --> 01:57:26,360 unicorns and bunny rabbits and rainbows 2552 01:57:33,250 --> 01:57:31,189 I mean some people are you know it's 2553 01:57:35,979 --> 01:57:33,260 it's fascinating because you do see the 2554 01:57:37,689 --> 01:57:35,989 rise in social media of well I mean 2555 01:57:39,850 --> 01:57:37,699 you're I'm sure your listeners and you 2556 01:57:42,580 --> 01:57:39,860 and we've all noticed it you know in the 2557 01:57:43,319 --> 01:57:42,590 past three years or four or five years 2558 01:57:45,310 --> 01:57:43,329 maybe 2559 01:57:46,899 --> 01:57:45,320 unicorns are everywhere all of a sudden 2560 01:57:48,609 --> 01:57:46,909 they showed up on television and in 2561 01:57:50,649 --> 01:57:48,619 commercials and they're pooping rainbows 2562 01:57:52,239 --> 01:57:50,659 and they're eating skittles and they're 2563 01:57:55,089 --> 01:57:52,249 everywhere and their children's toys 2564 01:57:57,580 --> 01:57:55,099 like these things do manifest in very 2565 01:57:59,649 --> 01:57:57,590 strange and crazy ways and when we say 2566 01:58:01,509 --> 01:57:59,659 like why aren't they like someone is 2567 01:58:01,989 --> 01:58:01,519 having an issue Tori experience with a 2568 01:58:04,179 --> 01:58:01,999 rabbit 2569 01:58:06,069 --> 01:58:04,189 I saw someone on Twitter yesterday who 2570 01:58:08,589 --> 01:58:06,079 had a beautiful moment with a rabbit and 2571 01:58:12,279 --> 01:58:08,599 Scottish Hills and and that was their 2572 01:58:16,060 --> 01:58:12,289 initiatory experience and it's not that 2573 01:58:17,620 --> 01:58:16,070 you become ultimately illuminated and 2574 01:58:19,779 --> 01:58:17,630 understand the mysteries of the universe 2575 01:58:22,089 --> 01:58:19,789 it's that it's that kind of hermetic 2576 01:58:24,219 --> 01:58:22,099 property where you become Hermes you 2577 01:58:26,589 --> 01:58:24,229 become the person who can cross from 2578 01:58:30,189 --> 01:58:26,599 this world into the other world and back 2579 01:58:33,459 --> 01:58:30,199 that's really the end goal of initiatory 2580 01:58:36,100 --> 01:58:33,469 processes but and there's always a putt 2581 01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:36,110 right sure in there in that sequence of 2582 01:58:42,699 --> 01:58:40,010 numbers they what wasn't revealed in 2583 01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:42,709 that secret of the sequence of numbers 2584 01:58:53,589 --> 01:58:47,650 was a my magic pony commercial from 1995 2585 01:58:55,270 --> 01:58:53,599 right right what what happened was and I 2586 01:58:56,770 --> 01:58:55,280 mean this is just my experience again I 2587 01:58:58,899 --> 01:58:56,780 told you kind of when we were talking 2588 01:59:01,719 --> 01:58:58,909 about Helier earlier I have them keep me 2589 01:59:05,259 --> 01:59:01,729 out of the loop for a reason but I feel 2590 01:59:06,200 --> 01:59:05,269 personally one of the reasons that they 2591 01:59:09,290 --> 01:59:06,210 came to me 2592 01:59:13,450 --> 01:59:09,300 is because they were literally getting 2593 01:59:17,270 --> 01:59:13,460 stuck in a cave and the numbers through 2594 01:59:19,550 --> 01:59:17,280 what they had and how they came to 2595 01:59:21,550 --> 01:59:19,560 understand them with poor without my 2596 01:59:24,050 --> 01:59:21,560 help 2597 01:59:30,920 --> 01:59:24,060 allowed them to leave that cave and 2598 01:59:34,900 --> 01:59:30,930 continue on their journey the okay this 2599 01:59:38,420 --> 01:59:34,910 is a yes or no question could those 2600 01:59:43,010 --> 01:59:38,430 especially in that last sequence in 2601 01:59:46,520 --> 01:59:43,020 Detroit could those Plews have taken 2602 01:59:50,300 --> 01:59:46,530 them to my magic Pony if they chose it 2603 01:59:55,820 --> 01:59:50,310 to were is is that an option right 2604 01:59:57,440 --> 01:59:55,830 is there a fork in the road I mean if 2605 02:00:00,440 --> 01:59:57,450 that's what they needed that's where it 2606 02:00:03,170 --> 02:00:00,450 would have gone right right and I you 2607 02:00:04,460 --> 02:00:03,180 know I also and again I haven't 2608 02:00:06,050 --> 02:00:04,470 discussed this with Greg and Dana 2609 02:00:08,540 --> 02:00:06,060 they've been pretty busy since it came 2610 02:00:10,700 --> 02:00:08,550 out but you know one of the things 2611 02:00:12,140 --> 02:00:10,710 that's crazy about the numbers and the 2612 02:00:15,610 --> 02:00:12,150 way it reveals itself and I talked 2613 02:00:18,110 --> 02:00:15,620 earlier about like the Triad is that 2614 02:00:20,930 --> 02:00:18,120 initiatory processes are usually three 2615 02:00:22,460 --> 02:00:20,940 steps you know whether you're a 2616 02:00:24,440 --> 02:00:22,470 freemason you have to go through your 2617 02:00:26,570 --> 02:00:24,450 first three initiatory degrees or 2618 02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:26,580 whether it's school being you know 2619 02:00:32,240 --> 02:00:27,930 kindergarten middle school in high 2620 02:00:34,730 --> 02:00:32,250 school whether it's being young 2621 02:00:37,250 --> 02:00:34,740 middle-aged and old like there are these 2622 02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:37,260 three processes and the only thing I 2623 02:00:41,180 --> 02:00:38,490 like and I haven't talked about this 2624 02:00:43,370 --> 02:00:41,190 with Greg and Dana is that this is the 2625 02:00:45,620 --> 02:00:43,380 second version of Halle air this is the 2626 02:00:47,750 --> 02:00:45,630 middle of the initiation like there has 2627 02:00:50,090 --> 02:00:47,760 to be a third of the completion of the 2628 02:00:51,680 --> 02:00:50,100 initiation yeah I see the hero's journey 2629 02:00:54,920 --> 02:00:51,690 playing out here for sure 2630 02:00:56,810 --> 02:00:54,930 it's interesting how John Joseph 2631 02:01:00,170 --> 02:00:56,820 Campbell was brought up in this series 2632 02:01:04,240 --> 02:01:00,180 because you definitely with a season one 2633 02:01:07,610 --> 02:01:04,250 have the set up right they leave home 2634 02:01:09,410 --> 02:01:07,620 the in the middle section the magic 2635 02:01:12,710 --> 02:01:09,420 happens and they and they get their 2636 02:01:15,620 --> 02:01:12,720 tools there's a closure to this in 2637 02:01:18,710 --> 02:01:15,630 season three and I'm not sure where it's 2638 02:01:19,560 --> 02:01:18,720 all leading and the other part about it 2639 02:01:25,859 --> 02:01:19,570 is 2640 02:01:28,649 --> 02:01:25,869 it seems like there has been a whole 2641 02:01:32,669 --> 02:01:28,659 series of choices of light and dark and 2642 02:01:35,100 --> 02:01:32,679 I go back to you know going to the 2643 02:01:38,220 --> 02:01:35,110 lighter going to the dark and I go back 2644 02:01:41,189 --> 02:01:38,230 and look at the the the three balloons 2645 02:01:44,009 --> 02:01:41,199 and the significance of them and 2646 02:01:46,919 --> 02:01:44,019 especially the last one but to have 2647 02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:46,929 three balloons like that appear the way 2648 02:01:53,250 --> 02:01:49,570 that they did in this series and the 2649 02:01:55,950 --> 02:01:53,260 last one obviously being a blue star and 2650 02:02:01,169 --> 02:01:55,960 the star sapphire aspect of this that's 2651 02:02:04,049 --> 02:02:01,179 a very interesting twist in this entire 2652 02:02:06,089 --> 02:02:04,059 thing where you wouldn't expect the 2653 02:02:08,549 --> 02:02:06,099 significance of that third balloon being 2654 02:02:12,089 --> 02:02:08,559 what it is and its place in this journey 2655 02:02:16,319 --> 02:02:12,099 right right and and to like I said you 2656 02:02:22,529 --> 02:02:16,329 know the initiative process whether it's 2657 02:02:25,200 --> 02:02:22,539 ceremonial ritual Pio free Masonic you 2658 02:02:29,310 --> 02:02:25,210 know fellow might initiatory processes 2659 02:02:31,589 --> 02:02:29,320 you have a blind imprints you have a 2660 02:02:35,069 --> 02:02:31,599 journey and then you have illumination 2661 02:02:40,709 --> 02:02:35,079 those are the steps and healthier to 2662 02:02:42,540 --> 02:02:40,719 healthier to is the journey the the 2663 02:02:44,490 --> 02:02:42,550 third balloon haumana they ask you about 2664 02:02:47,580 --> 02:02:44,500 this because you guys discuss this and 2665 02:02:52,200 --> 02:02:47,590 that's the the Detroit hotel room was 2666 02:02:54,600 --> 02:02:52,210 just a mind-blowing just mind-blowing so 2667 02:02:58,589 --> 02:02:54,610 many things were revealed there but if 2668 02:03:02,370 --> 02:02:58,599 you go back to the third balloon where 2669 02:03:08,069 --> 02:03:02,380 the and I think it's significant if they 2670 02:03:11,129 --> 02:03:08,079 hadn't have found it then the last scene 2671 02:03:16,290 --> 02:03:11,139 in the Detroit hotel room with you 2672 02:03:22,470 --> 02:03:16,300 doesn't exist right yeah but you know 2673 02:03:23,910 --> 02:03:22,480 it's interesting because like again the 2674 02:03:26,220 --> 02:03:23,920 people are almost watching this in real 2675 02:03:31,109 --> 02:03:26,230 time because that happened in September 2676 02:03:33,340 --> 02:03:31,119 and I feel like the universe gives you 2677 02:03:35,920 --> 02:03:33,350 options because you're talking about 2678 02:03:38,830 --> 02:03:35,930 three balloons now what happens though 2679 02:03:41,770 --> 02:03:38,840 is there's actually four balloons 2680 02:03:43,810 --> 02:03:41,780 it was setting itself up in case they 2681 02:03:46,810 --> 02:03:43,820 didn't reveal I mean I don't know if 2682 02:03:48,610 --> 02:03:46,820 that comes completely through Intel or 2683 02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:48,620 two but Tyler finds a balloon at the 2684 02:03:56,320 --> 02:03:52,010 location that he goes to and and so you 2685 02:03:58,000 --> 02:03:56,330 have a balloon that is discovered you 2686 02:03:59,440 --> 02:03:58,010 have one from Greg's friends you have 2687 02:04:04,240 --> 02:03:59,450 Tyler's and you have one that's down on 2688 02:04:06,160 --> 02:04:04,250 a tree it's setting itself up making 2689 02:04:08,590 --> 02:04:06,170 sure that it gets recognized because it 2690 02:04:11,080 --> 02:04:08,600 needs to lead them on a specific path 2691 02:04:15,100 --> 02:04:11,090 and it needs them to find it if they 2692 02:04:17,080 --> 02:04:15,110 wouldn't have me it would have led them 2693 02:04:18,670 --> 02:04:17,090 to me in a different direction or it 2694 02:04:20,530 --> 02:04:18,680 would have led the numbers in a 2695 02:04:21,970 --> 02:04:20,540 different direction to where they're at 2696 02:04:24,940 --> 02:04:21,980 now they would have found another way 2697 02:04:29,260 --> 02:04:24,950 out because there isn't only one way 2698 02:04:32,230 --> 02:04:29,270 there are a multitude of ways is there I 2699 02:04:36,460 --> 02:04:32,240 want to make two little literally John 2700 02:04:38,620 --> 02:04:36,470 have two minutes left if if if Greg I 2701 02:04:40,510 --> 02:04:38,630 love synchronicities if Greg would have 2702 02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:40,520 just left the balloon at the base of the 2703 02:04:44,680 --> 02:04:43,010 tree right and and and videoed that and 2704 02:04:48,580 --> 02:04:44,690 walked away and I just saw another 2705 02:04:50,230 --> 02:04:48,590 balloon that's crazy enough but the fact 2706 02:04:53,110 --> 02:04:50,240 that it went to the next stage and it 2707 02:04:56,440 --> 02:04:53,120 was unfolded and it was revealed as as a 2708 02:04:58,990 --> 02:04:56,450 Blue Star and how that will play out in 2709 02:05:02,860 --> 02:04:59,000 season three like it you know like it 2710 02:05:05,980 --> 02:05:02,870 did that whole Star Sapphire thing would 2711 02:05:09,180 --> 02:05:05,990 not have happened and it's a very very 2712 02:05:11,260 --> 02:05:09,190 heavy heavy synchronicity if we look at 2713 02:05:13,060 --> 02:05:11,270 something I don't know if greg has ever 2714 02:05:14,770 --> 02:05:13,070 revealed this and I don't really want to 2715 02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:14,780 reveal secrets and stuff but since we're 2716 02:05:19,150 --> 02:05:16,490 talking about it I think it's pertinent 2717 02:05:22,870 --> 02:05:19,160 to this when Greg found that balloon he 2718 02:05:24,520 --> 02:05:22,880 obviously it has a UPC code and ISBN 2719 02:05:26,500 --> 02:05:24,530 number where you can scan it from a 2720 02:05:30,760 --> 02:05:26,510 store if you want to order more for them 2721 02:05:33,550 --> 02:05:30,770 on that that's right on the tag greg 2722 02:05:35,200 --> 02:05:33,560 looked up that balloon on google and 2723 02:05:38,050 --> 02:05:35,210 it's a part of a series of star balloons 2724 02:05:41,080 --> 02:05:38,060 you have a red balloon a green balloon a 2725 02:05:45,240 --> 02:05:41,090 yellow balloon an orange balloon do you 2726 02:05:49,620 --> 02:05:45,250 know what color that balloon is it 2727 02:05:56,190 --> 02:05:49,630 blew its actual name is sapphire blue 2728 02:05:58,680 --> 02:05:56,200 yes yes yes yes yes yes man every other 2729 02:06:04,020 --> 02:05:58,690 every other balloon is orange red yellow 2730 02:06:08,730 --> 02:06:04,030 green that one is sapphire blue I love 2731 02:06:11,430 --> 02:06:08,740 it I I for everybody that's listening 2732 02:06:15,210 --> 02:06:11,440 I'm not spoiling anything when you get 2733 02:06:17,700 --> 02:06:15,220 to the complexity of the Detroit hotel 2734 02:06:20,640 --> 02:06:17,710 room and everything that comes out in 2735 02:06:24,150 --> 02:06:20,650 what seemingly is rapid-fire by the way 2736 02:06:27,060 --> 02:06:24,160 it's one thing after another that the 2737 02:06:29,820 --> 02:06:27,070 balloon and it's significant well it's 2738 02:06:33,630 --> 02:06:29,830 how it plays out and you just have to go 2739 02:06:35,730 --> 02:06:33,640 and watch Hellyer it's magic it is magic 2740 02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:35,740 it is matching John where are you 2741 02:06:40,140 --> 02:06:37,530 speaking next what are you doing I 2742 02:06:42,390 --> 02:06:40,150 usually take December in January off I 2743 02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:42,400 have an event in January I believe 2744 02:06:46,650 --> 02:06:45,010 sometime in the 20th in Wisconsin it's 2745 02:06:49,950 --> 02:06:46,660 all of my events can be found on weird 2746 02:06:50,820 --> 02:06:49,960 lectures comm slash events yep and it's 2747 02:06:54,150 --> 02:06:50,830 a great website 2748 02:06:56,970 --> 02:06:54,160 everybody lot of reading lots of stuff 2749 02:06:59,370 --> 02:06:56,980 there and John I look forward to the 2750 02:07:02,340 --> 02:06:59,380 next time when you are on with us and 2751 02:07:03,690 --> 02:07:02,350 we'll take one specific subject and go 2752 02:07:05,430 --> 02:07:03,700 deep thank you so much 2753 02:07:09,950 --> 02:07:05,440 Jimmy thanks for having me I loved it 2754 02:07:13,830 --> 02:07:09,960 enjoy the rest of your evening John e 2755 02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:13,840 elton e weird lectures comm a realm of 2756 02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:17,170 the weird combo the links are over at 2757 02:07:22,170 --> 02:07:19,930 Jimmy Church radio calm it's easy to get 2758 02:07:24,840 --> 02:07:22,180 to you can also follow John right there 2759 02:07:28,680 --> 02:07:24,850 on Twitter John E alt any we've got all 2760 02:07:31,410 --> 02:07:28,690 of the links up in the hashtag f2b and 2761 02:07:34,920 --> 02:07:31,420 hashtag if to be Q and of course Rita's 2762 02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:34,930 got it up in her feed as well tomorrow 2763 02:07:42,840 --> 02:07:38,770 night tomorrow night Matthew more nian 2764 02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:42,850 is here another first-time guest and one 2765 02:07:46,740 --> 02:07:45,130 of the things that I enjoy doing here on 2766 02:07:47,860 --> 02:07:46,750 fade to black and I talk about it all 2767 02:07:50,650 --> 02:07:47,870 the time and I really 2768 02:07:54,100 --> 02:07:50,660 this first time guests are my favorite 2769 02:07:57,190 --> 02:07:54,110 thing to do and here this week tonight 2770 02:07:58,960 --> 02:07:57,200 with John Al Thani tomorrow night 2771 02:08:01,150 --> 02:07:58,970 Matthew more nian and then we're gonna 2772 02:08:04,290 --> 02:08:01,160 do the same thing on Wednesday night 2773 02:08:08,980 --> 02:08:04,300 Thursday night is our sixth anniversary 2774 02:08:11,830 --> 02:08:08,990 and on Friday we will start our seventh 2775 02:08:14,260 --> 02:08:11,840 year here on fade to black absolutely 2776 02:08:16,300 --> 02:08:14,270 incredible this is the best audience in 2777 02:08:18,550 --> 02:08:16,310 the world and I want to thank everybody 2778 02:08:21,430 --> 02:08:18,560 for hanging out with this each night of 2779 02:08:23,710 --> 02:08:21,440 the week with that I am going to get out 2780 02:08:27,220 --> 02:08:23,720 of here we went pole to pole tonight 2781 02:08:29,950 --> 02:08:27,230 with John e el 10 e fade to black cigs 2782 02:08:32,650 --> 02:08:29,960 ecute oppressor is Rita Kumari on show 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2797 02:09:11,200 --> 02:09:08,030 your host jimmy church tomorrow night 2798 02:09:15,250 --> 02:09:11,210 right here Matthew morning until then I 2799 02:09:15,860 --> 02:09:15,260 want everybody to be safe go back Lee 2800 02:09:24,890 --> 02:09:15,870 taffy